May 29, 2024 Board of Education Meeting

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GOOD AFTERNOON AND WELCOME TO A NOT REGULAR MEETING.

[1.01 Call to Order]

[1.02 Approval of the May 29, 2024 Meeting Agenda]

AGENDA. IS THERE A MOTION? THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON AND MR. ROSE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND IS MISS GALLAGHER ON THE PHONE WITH US? THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

AND MISS GALLAGHER WILL IS EN ROUTE AND WILL BE JOINING US AS SOON AS SHE CAN GET HERE SAFELY.

[1.03 RFP 22M8, Door Supply (Renewal)]

THIS IS A RENEWAL FOR OUR DOOR SUPPLY CONTRACT.

IT'S FOR THE PURCHASE OF INTERIOR AND EXTERIOR DOORS USED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

IT WILL BE EFFECTIVE FROM JULY 1ST OF 24 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 26, AND HAS NO RENEWAL OPTIONS REMAINING.

THE VENDORS DID NOT REQUEST ANY PRICE ADJUSTMENTS, AND WE'VE SPENT ABOUT $87,000 LAST YEAR AND $28,000 THIS YEAR, AND RECOMMENDS RENEWAL TO ARCHITECTURAL DOOR SUPPLY, PER THE SUMMARY OF RENEWAL.

ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. J. IS TO HAVE THEM ON CAR.

DO WE HAVE ACTIVE DOORS THAT ARE IN NEED OF REPAIR CURRENTLY? SO WHENEVER WE WOULD HAVE A DOOR THAT NEEDS REPAIR, THIS WOULD BE THE COMPANY WE PURCHASE THE DOORS FROM.

SO THERE IT'S KIND OF ON CALL, BUT IT'S MORE OF A MATERIAL CONTRACT.

GOTCHA. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RFP TO TO MAKE YOUR SUPPLY RENEWAL SECOND.

OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION, MISS JOHNSON.

MR. JAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? AND LET ME EXPLAIN.

ANY TIME. TODAY IS NOT A REGULAR MEETING, SO WE DON'T HAVE A REGULAR SESSION SET UP WITH REGULAR PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF WE TAKE A MOTION, THE PUBLIC IS ALLOWED TO COMMENT, BUT ONLY ON THAT MOTION.

SO I HOPE THAT'S UNDERSTOOD.

IF IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU VEER FROM THE MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR, I'LL HAVE TO ASK YOU TO STOP TALKING.

AND I DON'T DO THAT VERY WELL, BUT I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COOPERATE.

ALL RIGHT. SO IS THERE ANY COMMENT ON THIS MOTION TO ACCEPT DOOR RENEWAL FROM THE PUBLIC? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE'LL MOVE TO THE MOTION.

I'M SORRY. THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND I HEAR MISS GALLAGHER SAYING YES.

SO THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER.

[1.04 Bid 22M2, Unit Price Contract for Roof Replacement/Repair (Renewal)]

UNIT PRICE CONTRACT FOR ROOF REPLACEMENT, REPAIR RENEWAL.

GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO RENEW THE UNIT PRICE CONTRACT FOR A SMALL ROOF REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR PROJECTS.

THE RENEWAL TERM WILL BE FOR TWO YEARS, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026, WITH ONE ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR RENEWAL OPTION REMAINING.

UNDER THIS CONTRACT, THE CONTRACTOR PROVIDES ALL LABOR SUPERVISION MATERIALS AND ANY INCIDENTALS NECESSARY TO REPAIR AND OR REPLACE ANY ROOF SECTIONS WITHIN THE FREDERICK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM.

WORK MAY BE DONE ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS, OR IT MAY BE A PLANNED ROOF REPLACEMENT REPAIR PROJECT.

IT IS AN OPEN REQUIREMENTS CONTRACT, AND NO GUARANTEE OF WORK IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, AND THE UNIT PRICES FOR THE RENEWAL TERM REMAIN UNCHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL BID. PRICES AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE CONTRACT BE RENEWED TO HIDE THE ROOFING SERVICES AND SIMPSON UNLIMITED AT THE UNIT PRICES IN THE SUMMARY OF RENEWAL.

THANK YOU. ALWAYS NICE TO HEAR WHEN THINGS ARE NOT INCREASING.

WE DO APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? I'LL START WITH A MOTION IF THAT WORKS.

THAT WE ACCEPT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION THAT BID 22 M2 UNIT PRICE CONTRACT FOR ROOF REPLACEMENT AND REPAIR BE RENEWED TO HIDE THE ROOFING SERVICES INC.

OF HAGERSTOWN, MARYLAND, AND SIMPSON UNLIMITED, INC.

OF MANASSAS, VIRGINIA.

SECOND, THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON AND MR. JAY. THE MOTION SECOND.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE ONE.

LONG AGO, WHEN I WAS A SUBSTITUTE IN ANOTHER COUNTY, THEY WERE DOING A ROOF REPLACEMENT WHEN I WAS TRYING TO TEACH.

AND SO DO WE HAVE ASSURANCE THAT THESE THE PLANNED ROOFING REPLACEMENTS ARE DONE WHEN STUDENTS ARE NOT IN SCHOOL AND STAFF, AND THAT EMERGENCIES CAN TRY TO BE WORKED

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YES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT WAS INCREDIBLY DISRUPTIVE AND QUITE HARD TO TAKE.

SO THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO HEAR THAT.

ALL RIGHT. SO SEEING MR..

ROSE. YEAH, JUST VERY QUICK.

YOU SAID SMALL ROOF REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT.

SO THIS IS NOT LIKE FOR A SCHOOL.

IT WOULD NOT BE FOR A FULL SCHOOL ROOF OR LARGE SECTIONS OF A ROOF THAT WOULD BE DONE THROUGH THE CAPITAL PROGRAMS PROJECT.

SO WOULD THEY MOSTLY BE DOING A LOT OF REPAIR WORK FOR US? DAMAGE. STORM DAMAGE IS A LOT OF IT, I BELIEVE.

THANK YOU, MR. JAY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT QUESTION, IT BEGS THE QUESTION, WHY ISN'T THIS IN CAPITAL FUNDING? THESE ARE JUST UNIT PRICE SMALL REPAIR PROJECTS USUALLY FROM STORM DAMAGE OR, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY USE THIS TO INVESTIGATE LEAKS.

IF IT'S IN A SCHOOL, THIS CONTRACT IS USED TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S BUILDING BASED ON.

YEAH. THAT TOO. WELL THANK YOU.

SO THIS WILL FALL UNDER OUR CLASS 11 MAINTENANCE OF PLANT BECAUSE IT IS NOT A CAPITAL PROJECT.

SO TYPICALLY IT'S UNDER THE $100,000 THRESHOLD, WHICH IS WHERE WE TYPICALLY SEE A CAPITAL PROJECT.

SO GENERAL MAINTENANCE WOULD FALL UNDER CLASS 11 MAINTENANCE OF PLAN.

THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC ON THIS MOTION? ON ROOFING REPAIR.

PLEASE GO TO THE MICROPHONE.

NO, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE MICROPHONE.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

WE CAN HEAR YOU, BUT PEOPLE AT HOME CAN'T.

SO. JERRY HOWARD WITH A REQUEST FOR HAVING ALL OF THIS WORK DONE.

WEEKENDS AND EVENINGS INCREASE THE COST.

BEING OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS.

NORMAL BUSINESS HOURS.

AND I'M AFRAID THIS I SAID.

COMMENTS. UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS NOT A QUESTION AND ANSWER AND I APOLOGIZE.

SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEAR. THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.

IT WAS A COMMENT SO I.

I WILL REWORD THAT.

AND THAT WAS A COMMENT, NOT A QUESTION.

VERY GOOD. SOMETHING FOR US TO THINK ABOUT.

APPRECIATE IT.

YES. MOVE TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME PLEASE.

MY NAME IS LAURA O'NEILL AND I JUST WANTED TO COMMENT THAT, YOU KNOW WHAT? SCHOOL DOESN'T HAVE A ROOF OR A BUILDING.

THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM.

OKAY. AND AGAIN, I HAVE TO ASK YOU TO KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO THIS BID AND ARE APPROVING THE BID.

THANK YOU.

SEEING NO MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY I.

THANK YOU. THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER 1.05 RFP 22 MISCELLANEOUS C TWO CONTRACT SERVICE AGENCIES FOR SPECIAL

[1.05 RFP 22MISC2, Contract Service Agencies for Special Education (Renewal)]

AND THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO RENEW THE CONTRACTS WITH QUALIFIED PROVIDERS OF SPECIAL EDUCATION STAFFING SERVICES FOR SHORT AND LONG TERM ASSIGNMENTS.

THE RENEWAL TERM WILL BE FOR TWO YEARS, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026, WITH NO RENEWAL OPTIONS REMAINING. SERVICES UNDER THIS CONTRACT SUPPORT STUDENTS WHEN THERE ARE INSUFFICIENT STAFF RESOURCES.

NINE FIRMS WERE QUALIFIED DURING THE OPEN ENROLLMENT TERM OF THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT.

THIS IS AN OPEN REQUIREMENT CONTRACT, AND FREDERICK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS MAKES NO COMMITMENT TO ANY AGENCY FOR A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ASSIGNMENTS, HOURS, OR OVERALL VALUE OF WORK AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING RENEWAL TO THE VENDORS LISTED ON THE SUMMARY OF RENEWAL AT THE UNIT PRICES.

THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. BASS. YEAH.

DEFINITELY GRATEFUL THAT THERE IS NO COMMITMENT TO A PARTICULAR NUMBER OF HOURS WITH ANY OF THESE AGENCIES, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING IF STAFF CAN SPEAK TO LEVEL OF SATISFACTION WITH WITH THESE AGENCIES.

SURE. SO WE HAVE NEW BOARD MEMBERS.

THANK YOU. BOARD MEMBER BASS.

SO TROY KELLER, DIRECTOR OF SPECIAL EDUCATION FOR SPECIALIZED INSTRUCTION AND SUPPORTS.

SO WE ACTUALLY DO EVALUATE OUR INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTORS.

AND SO THEY CONTINUE TO GET EVALUATIONS FROM OUR STAFF.

AND THEN WE ALSO MEET WITH THESE AGENCIES TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK IF WE EVER HAVE CONCERNS.

AND SO AS KIM MENTIONED, WE DON'T HAVE TO CONTRACT WITH ANY OF THESE AGENCIES.

IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS, WE ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THEM.

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AND ONE QUICK FOLLOW UP.

HOW WOULD YOU EVALUATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL THESE STUDENT NEEDS WITH, WITH CURRENT OR FUTURE STAFF TO TO WHAT EXTENT DO WE NEED THESE ADDITIONAL AGENCIES? SO OUR STAFFING RFP ACTUALLY IS MULTIPLE FOLD.

SO SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY TAKE CARE OF OUR DOJ COMPENSATORY SERVICES.

THEY ALSO TAKE CARE OF COMPENSATORY SERVICES WHEN STAFF ARE UNAVAILABLE.

AND SO THEY DO FILL FULL TIME POSITIONS.

BUT THERE ARE OF COURSE, AT TIMES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR IN THE WORLD OF SPECIAL ED THAT WE ALSO HAVE NEED SERVICES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE.

SO WE ALWAYS ARE LOOKING FOR FCPS STAFF.

SO THAT'S A HUGE THING.

ANYTIME WE ACTUALLY ARE ABLE TO FILL THE POSITION WITH AN CPS EMPLOYEE, WE ACTUALLY NOTIFY THE CONTRACT AGENCY.

THEY'RE NO LONGER NEEDED.

THANK YOU. MR. ROSE, I WAS GOING TO TELL YOU TO STAY THERE.

SO JUST IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT ARE OUR ROADBLOCKS TO FILLING SOME OF THE POSITIONS? WHEN WE LOOK ACROSS THE TOP OF THIS BID, WHAT ARE OUR ROADBLOCKS? OBVIOUSLY, MAYBE PAY SCALE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WHAT ARE OUR ROADBLOCKS FROM ACTUALLY HIRING THESE POSITIONS IN-HOUSE? WELL, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO CLOSE THE GAP GREATLY.

WE'VE STARTED TO GROW YOUR OWN PROGRAM.

AND SO THAT'S HELPED WITH OUR BCBAS.

AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BIGGEST POSITION THAT WE CONTRACT OUT AT THIS TIME.

AND SO OVER TIME, OVER THE FEW YEARS THAT WE'VE HAD THOSE POSITIONS, WE'VE ACTUALLY SLOWLY BEGUN TO FILL THEM THROUGH FCPS POSITIONS.

SO THAT'S BEEN GREAT WITH THE GROW YOUR OWN PROGRAM.

AND THEN ALSO REALLY JUST WORKING ON YOU KNOW, RETENTION EFFORTS OF MAKING SURE THAT STAFF ARE SATISFIED.

AND WE CONTINUE TO WORK THROUGH THAT THROUGH OUR AUDIT.

SO WE'VE SEEN GREAT ADJUSTMENTS THROUGH OUR STAFFING.

THERE'S BEEN VERY FEW POSITIONS HERE AND THERE THAT WE'VE HAD TO FILL WITH CONTRACTORS.

BUT THE MAJOR THREE, THE MAJOR TWO POSITIONS ARE BCBAS AND SLPS AT THIS TIME.

AND I BELIEVE THAT THE SLPS IT'S BEEN THE SPEECH LANGUAGE PATHOLOGIST HAS BEEN BETTER SINCE THEY WERE GIVEN 11 MONTH STATUS.

AM I CORRECT ON THAT? YES, MA'AM. WE'VE HAD GREAT OPPORTUNITIES WITH NOT ONLY 11 MONTH OPPORTUNITY, BUT ALSO ALLOWING THEM TO RECEIVE CEUS THAT WE PAY FOR.

SO THAT'S OTHER WAYS THAT WE LOOK FOR WHEN WE'RE LOOKING TO INCENTIVIZE POSITIONS.

THANK YOU. AND FOR THE AT HOME AUDIENCE OR AUDIENCE MIGHT WONDER BCBAS ARE BOARD CERTIFIED BEHAVIOR ANALYST, JUST TO BE CLEAR.

SO THANK YOU. YES. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. ROSE? GO AHEAD. I'M SORRY THIS RAISED ANOTHER QUESTION THOUGH WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

DO WE HAVE A POLICY WHERE WE WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO ACTUALLY WORK FOR FCPS WHILE STILL BEING ABLE TO DO CONTRACT WORK OUTSIDE? SO THAT'S A GREAT CHECKS AND BALANCES PROCESS THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE WITH OUR HR TEAM.

AND SO ANY TIME SOMEBODY ACTUALLY IS SHOWING UP AS A CONTRACTOR, THEY WILL LET US KNOW IF THAT IS THE CASE.

AND SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE STAFF WILL WORK OUTSIDE AS A CONTRACTOR, BUT TYPICALLY THEY'RE NOT WORKING WITH THE SAME STUDENTS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? ANY LET ME MAKE SURE I'M ABSOLUTELY CLEAR.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, PLEASE EMAIL THEM TO US.

I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT GETTING BACK TO EVERYBODY.

I HAD TO GO HELP MY MOTHER AND NORTH CAROLINA DO A LITTLE VISITING, BUT SOME HELPING, AND JUST DID NOT GET TO ANSWER A LOT OF EMAILS THIS WEEKEND.

BUT SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS.

AND I DO WANT TO APPRECIATE THAT YOU ARE HOLDING YOUR SIGNS DOWN.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THAT.

WE CAN SEE THEM FINE.

BUT YOU'RE NOT BLOCKING OTHER PEOPLE.

SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SO ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS ON THIS PARTICULAR BID ITEM? I THINK WE DON'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION.

WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET.

THANK YOU, MR. ROSS OR MR. ROSEWOOD, I DON'T CARE. I'LL GO AHEAD.

I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE RFP 22 MR TWO CONTRACT SERVICE AGENCIES FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION RENEWAL.

SECOND. THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON.

MR. ROSE. ALL RIGHT, NOW, ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THIS BID ITEM? OKAY. SEEING NONE.

WE'LL GO AHEAD TO THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING RFP 22 MR TWO, RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY I.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER.

OKAY. 1.06 RFP 22, MISS 11 CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM RENEWAL.

[1.06 RFP 22MISC11, Crisis Intervention Program (Renewal)]

THE RENEWAL TERM WILL BE FOR ONE YEAR, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2025, WITH TWO ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR RENEWAL OPTIONS

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PHYSICAL DISENGAGEMENT STRATEGIES, RISK ASSESSMENT, AND DECISION MAKING.

POST INCIDENT DEBRIEFING PRICING WAS FIXED AT BID TIME.

SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE CONTRACT BE RENEWED FOR FOR YEAR THREE AT $42,731. THANK YOU.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE.

RFP 22 MR 11 CRISIS INTERVENTION PROGRAM RENEWAL.

SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. ROSE AND MR. JAY.

NO OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.

ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THIS RFP? SEEING NONE.

WE'LL GO TO THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF RFP 22 MR 11, RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY I.

THANK YOU.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER.

[1.07 RFP 22MISC12, Installation of Data Network Cabling (Renewal)]

THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO RENEW THE CONTRACT FOR INSTALLATION OF DATA NETWORK CABLING.

THE RENEWAL TERM WILL BE FOR TWO YEARS, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026, WITH THE OPTION TO EXTEND FOR ONE ADDITIONAL TWO YEAR RENEWAL TERM.

WORK WILL BE PERFORMED ON AN AS NEEDED BASIS.

NO WORK OF ANY WORK IS EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED.

THE HOURLY RATES AND UNIT PRICES FOR THE RENEWAL TERM REMAIN UNCHANGED FROM THE ORIGINAL BID.

PRICES AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING RENEWAL TO THE FIRMS LISTED ON THE ATTACHED SUMMARY OF RENEWAL AT THE UNIT PRICES LISTED.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU, MR. JAY, WITH A MOTION.

SECOND, MR. ROSE WITH THE SECOND.

ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? MR. JAY AND THEN MR. ROSE REALLY FAST. I LIKE HOW YOU HAVE THIS AS AN AS NEEDED BASIS.

SO WE HAVE A VENDOR ON FILE FOR FOR NEEDS.

I TAKE IT THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE SYSTEM.

AND SO THEY HAVE BE A LOW UP TIME TO GET THINGS FIXED AND REPAIRED.

YEAH. TYPICALLY WHEN STAFF HAS A REQUIREMENT, THEY WILL CONTACT ONE OF THE APPROVED VENDORS AND GET A QUOTE.

MR. ROSE, WHAT IMPACT DID THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FY 23 AND FY 24? THERE'S $66,000 DIFFERENCE IN EXPENDITURE.

I'M NOT SURE.

IS THAT A NEW SCHOOL. HAVE A RESPONSE.

I WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE FIGURES, AND I'M NOT SURE.

YEAH, STAFF IS NOT SURE I CAN GET THAT ANSWER AND GET BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD? ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON INSTALLATION OF DATA NETWORK CABLING.

SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY I.

OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? OKAY. THAT IS ALL THE REST EXCEPT MR. BASS. IN FAVOR.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WASN'T SEEING INCORRECTLY.

THANK YOU, MR. BASS.

[1.08 RFP 22MISC13, Contract Service Agencies for Private Duty Nursing (Renewal)]

THIS RECOMMENDATION IS TO RENEW THE CONTRACTS WITH QUALIFIED, LICENSED NURSING AGENCIES TO PROVIDE PRIVATE DUTY NURSING SERVICES FOR THE CARE OF OUR MEDICALLY FRAGILE STUDENTS DURING THE SCHOOL DAY.

THE RENEWAL TERM WILL BE FOR TWO YEARS, EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST, 2024 THROUGH JUNE 30TH OF 2026, WITHOUT OPTIONS FOR FURTHER RENEWAL.

THESE SERVICES SUPPORT A STUDENT WHILE THEY ARE ACCESSING THEIR EDUCATION TO ENSURE THEIR HEALTH AND SAFETY WHILE THEY'RE AT SCHOOL.

FREDERICK COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS MAKES NO COMMITMENT TO ANY AGENCY FOR A MINIMUM OR MAXIMUM NUMBER OF ASSIGNMENTS, HOURS, OR OVERALL VALUE OF WORK, AND THE HOURLY RATES

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PRICES AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING AWARD TO THE VARIOUS VENDORS ON THE ATTACHED SUMMARY OF RENEWAL AT THE HOURLY RATES LISTED.

THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD.

MISS ALLEN, I MEANT TO ASK THIS QUESTION BEFORE THE BOARD MEETING, SO I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND HOW MANY STUDENTS REQUIRE RN SERVICES, HOW MANY STUDENTS REQUIRE AN AN LPN AND A CNA OR CMT? OKAY. IF YOU'LL GIVE US JUST A SECOND, WE'RE GOING TO INVITE UP A FRIEND.

FRIEND? WE'RE. WE'RE PHONING A FRIEND.

GOOD EVENING, JENNIFER BINGAMAN, ASSOCIATE SUPERINTENDENT, SPECIAL EDUCATION AND STUDENT SERVICES.

AND AT THIS TIME, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT DATA.

I COULD GIVE YOU BALLPARK FIGURES, BUT I WOULD RATHER GIVE YOU THE EXACT DATA SO I CAN SEND THAT TO YOU.

THANK YOU. JUST ADDED TO THAT, I'M CURIOUS IF YOU COULD SPEAK TO THE INCREASE FROM YEAR TO YEAR, ABOUT ABOUT $100,000 DIFFERENCE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS. MORE STUDENTS OR HIGHER NEEDS OR.

YEAH, WE CAN PROVIDE THE TREND DATA.

THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE? WELL.

YES, MISTER, WHILE YOU'RE THERE.

SO FOR OUR FOR OUR SCHOOL NURSES, WE CONTRACT WITH FREDERICK COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. BUT NO POSSIBILITY OF CONTRACTING WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO LOWER SOME OF OUR COSTS HERE FOR SERVICES LIKE THIS? NO, THESE ARE TYPICALLY FOR STUDENTS WHO NEED MUCH MORE INTENSIVE CARE.

AND SO THEREFORE WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THAT PRIVATE DUTY NURSE.

THANK YOU AND SORRY, DOCTOR BINGAMAN, THAT THE SCHOOL NURSES OFTEN ARE HAVE, WHAT, TWO, THREE, FOUR SCHOOLS IN A FEEDER? PROBABLY SO.

CORRECT. YEAH. THEY'RE NOT.

THERE'S ALWAYS A HEALTH TECH, BUT NOT ALWAYS A SCHOOL NURSE.

THAT'S CORRECT. MR. BASS. DOCTOR BENJAMIN.

HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR LEVEL OF SATISFACTION WITH THESE AGENCIES AND WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM FAMILIES? YEAH. SO IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT WE HAVE INDIVIDUAL FOLKS, AND WE EVALUATE EACH INDIVIDUAL PERSON AND TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE BRIDGE AND THE COLLABORATION TO ENSURE THAT IS TO THE STANDARD THAT WE WANT.

ANY TIME THAT ANYTHING IS NOT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT, WE WORK WITH THE AGENCY TO ENSURE THAT WE WORK TOGETHER TO IMPROVE.

AND SO OVERALL, I WOULD SAY WE'RE VERY HAPPY.

MISS JOHNSON. THANKS.

I DON'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, BUT APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY STUDENTS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? UNDER 20.

YEAH, OKAY.

PREGNANT. PAUSE THERE.

WE'RE GIVING WEIGHT. TIME.

ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DOCTOR BINGMAN OR.

YEAH. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD BECAUSE I JUST DID SOME QUICK MATH AND IT SEEMED LIKE IT IF THEY WERE POTENTIALLY ATTENDING, EXCUSE ME, 180 DAYS A YEAR AT ROUGHLY $50 AN HOUR, WHEN YOU SPLIT IN AN AVERAGE OUT THE COST.

THIS IS ALL ROUGH MATH. I WAS LIKE, THAT DOESN'T AMOUNT TO VERY MANY STUDENTS.

I MEAN, I KNOW $800,000 SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT IF YOU HAVE A SOMEONE ASSISTING A STUDENT THROUGH THE DAY FOR THEIR SCHOOL YEAR, THEN IT DIDN'T YIELD TO A HIGH NUMBER. AND I JUST WANT TO GET VERIFICATION THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS OR EVEN 100.

YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S VERY LOW.

RIGHT? RIGHT.

AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I WANT TO MAKE SURE I PROVIDE THE ACTUAL DATA SO I CAN SEND THAT LATER.

RIGHT. BUT I THINK BALLPARK IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME FOR RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE RFP 22 MR 13 CONTRACT SERVICE AGENCIES FOR PRIVATE DUTY NURSING RENEWAL.

THANK YOU, MR. ROSE, A SECOND.

THANK YOU, MR. BASS.

I SEE WE HAVE TO HAVE THIS.

SO ALL RIGHT, SO WE'VE HEARD FROM THE BOARD ANY COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE ON THIS PARTICULAR ITEM WITH CONTRACT SERVICE AGENCIES FOR PRIVATE DUTY NURSING? OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE WILL GO TO THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS PROPOSAL, RAISE YOUR HAND OR SAY I.

OKAY, THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING STUDENT MEMBER.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OKAY. I COULDN'T SEE YOU, MISS CLAYBAUGH.

I WAS LOOKING FOR YOU TO COME.

I'LL GIVE HER A CHANCE TO TRANSITION THERE.

[1.09 Fiscal Year 2025 Operating Budget and Charter School Funding]

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OH, I APOLOGIZE.

I'M NOT USED TO THE MIX QUITE YET.

SO I'M HEATHER CLAY, ASSOCIATE SUPERINTENDENT FOR FISCAL SERVICES FOR FSPS.

AND THIS AFTERNOON, WE'RE GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH AN UPDATE.

FIRST WE'RE GOING TO START WITH OUR AGENDA.

SO WE'RE GOING TO UPDATE OUR LOCAL REVENUE.

THERE WAS A THE COUNCIL APPROVED THEIR BUDGET.

THE COUNTY'S BUDGET WILL REVIEW AND APPROVE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE WILL ALSO LOOK AT EXPENSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND THEN DISCUSS THE CHARTER SCHOOL FUNDING.

SO FIRST LET'S DISCUSS THE OPERATING BUDGET UPDATE.

SO AT THE COUNTY COUNCIL'S MEETING ON MAY THE 21ST, THEY DID VOTE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO FCPS IN THE AMOUNT OF 442,224 OR EXCUSE ME, $242.

THE COUNTY COUNCIL HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND THEIR BUDGET.

WHEN THEY AMEND THEIR BUDGET, THAT REVENUE CAN EITHER BE ELIMINATED FROM THEIR BUDGET OR THEY DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT REVENUE TO FCPS.

THEY DECIDED TO PROVIDE THAT TO US AND VOTED AND APPROVED THAT THAT DAY.

SO THAT BRINGS WHERE WE ARE AS OF TODAY, OUR TOTAL EXPENDITURES INCLUDED IN OUR FY 25.

BOARD. EXCUSE ME, BOARD REQUESTED BUDGET IS $948 MILLION.

OUR TOTAL REVENUES ARE $942 MILLION.

WHICH LEAVES US WITH A BUDGET VARIANCE OF $5.9 MILLION.

SO AT THIS TIME STAFF IS SEEKING APPROVAL OF THE FY 25 BUDGET ADJUSTMENTS FOR REVENUES.

SO THAT'S JUST ADDING THE 440 HOUSING, THE COUNTY, THE CHANGE IN THE COUNTY REVENUE OKAY.

AND THAT TOTAL IS 942,940,075.

CORRECT. IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE TOTAL REVENUES? AS A REMINDER, WE TYPICALLY DO THIS IN STAGES.

WE FIRST NEED TO ACCEPT THE REVENUE THAT THE COUNTY UPDATE, AND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON AND LOOK AT EACH ITEM INDIVIDUALLY.

MOTION TO ACCEPT THE LOCAL REVENUE.

I'M SORRY. MR. BASS HAD A QUESTION. GO AHEAD.

ARE YOU ASKING US TO ACCEPT THE TOTAL REVENUES OR THE THE BUDGET ADJUSTMENT FROM IN LOCAL REVENUE FROM THE.

SO THE COUNTY COUNCIL, THE TOTAL REVENUES YOU'D ALREADY ACCEPTED.

AND THIS IS JUST ADJUSTING TO GET THE NEW TOTAL REVENUES.

SO THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE ACCEPTING.

SO AGAIN, A MOTION TO ACCEPT LOCAL REVENUE WITH THANKS TO THE COUNCIL.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT, MR. JAY AND MR. ROSE.

SO THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE OF 442,000 PLUS FOR THE TOTAL THERE.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? SO RIGHT NOW I WILL TURN IT TO THE AUDIENCE AND ANY COMMENTS JUST ON ACCEPTING THE 442,000 PLUS FROM THE COUNTY THAT THEY CUT FROM THEIR BUDGET AND KINDLY SENT OUR WAY.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO.

OH. I'M SORRY.

OH, APOLOGIZE. GO AHEAD.

PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

ISAAC GUZMAN. WHEN WILL OR IS THIS PART OF THE DISCUSSION FOR DISCUSSION OF THE PARTICIPATION FEE FOR OUR STUDENT ATHLETES? THIS IS JUST TO ACCEPT THE NEW REVENUE FROM THE COUNTY.

SO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PARTICIPATION FEE WILL BE ADDRESSED SHORTLY.

CORRECT. THAT WILL BE COMING UP IN THE NEXT SLIDES.

THANK YOU. AND YOU DID THAT SO NICELY.

I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE IT WAS A QUESTION.

AND I BROKE MY OWN RULE, WHICH IS NOT MY RULE.

BUT ANYWAY. BUT YOU GOT YOUR ANSWER.

ALL RIGHT. SO.

AND MISS GALLAGHER, WHO'S BEEN VERY YOU'VE BEEN VERY INVOLVED THERE.

SO YOU GOT HERE. I'LL GIVE YOU A SECOND TO CATCH UP.

WE ARE JUST. YEAH, I KNOW YOU HAVE.

SO WE'RE JUST AT THE POINT OF WITH THE 442,000 MOTION SECOND.

ALL RIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?

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OKAY. I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE ALL THE NUMBERS ADD UP, BECAUSE I'LL LOOK FOR ANY PENNY THAT WE CAN FIND.

AND I WAS LOOKING AT WHAT THE COUNTY HAD CUT, AND IT WAS TWO TO F-550 TRUCKS AND AN EV ROLLER.

AND THEN THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE UP ON HERE WASN'T THE NUMBER THAT I SAW THAT WAS IN THEIR BUDGET.

SO THEY DID SEND OVER TO US THE NUMBER THE NUMBER WAS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.

YEAH. AND THAT WAS THE MOTION.

THAT'S THE NUMBER FROM THE MOTION.

OKAY. I GUESS IF THAT'S WHAT THE MOTION IS THEN THAT'S WHAT IT IS.

BUT MY MATH IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT OKAY.

SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO THINK BACK TO THAT MEETING BECAUSE MISS GALLAGHER AND MR. ROSE WERE THERE.

I WAS LISTENING BEFORE AND AFTER THE HEATHER RIDGE GRADUATION, AND I WAS WATCHING THEM.

YEAH, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT THEY ENDED UP HAVING, THAT THEY GAVE EVERY BIT OF IT BACK TO US.

BUT BUT I COULD BE WRONG.

SO. OR NOT BACK TO US.

I'M SORRY. SENT OVER OUR WAY.

VOTED TO GIVE US INSTEAD OF MAINTAINING IT.

ANYWAY. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOOD.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS REVENUE? YES. I'M SORRY WE DID, AND I APOLOGIZE.

I THOUGHT I SAID IT CLEARLY.

APOLOGIZE. OKAY.

WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

OKAY. WAS THAT EVERYBODY? I'M. YEAH.

OKAY. UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER.

ALL RIGHT, MISS CLAYBAUGH.

OKAY. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO CURRENTLY THIS IS A SUMMARY OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING TODAY.

THE STARTING BUDGET VARIANCE IS $5.975 MILLION.

WE HAVE A REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS TO DISCUSS OF $4.7 MILLION REDUCTIONS OF THE FY 25, NEW REQUEST OF $832,000, AND THEN FY 24 BUDGET ELIMINATIONS OF $442,000, WHICH WOULD BRING OUR CURRENT BUDGET VARIANCE TO ZERO. SO LET'S FIRST DISCUSS OUR REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

SO THE RECOMMENDED REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS INCLUDE A COUPLE THINGS.

BUT I WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DETAILS.

OUR PRIORITY TWO GROUPS USE OF FACILITIES FEES FOR THOSE GROUPS FROM A 50% THAT WAS APPROVED ON THE 515 MEETING TO A 75% OF OUR STANDARD FEES, AND THEN ALSO TO INCREASE THE SPORTS ACTIVITY FEE TO $205 PER SEASON PER STUDENT.

AND THE BOARD APPROVED AN INCREASE OF $135 ON 515 OR EXCUSE ME, TWO $135 ON 515.

WE ALSO DURING THE YEAR MOST SPECIFICALLY DURING THESE LATTER HALF OF THE YEAR, WE, THE FISCAL SERVICES TEAM REVIEWS OUR FUND BALANCE. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY FUNDS THAT ARE UNSPENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THAT CAN BE USED IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

AND AT THIS TIME, WE ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE ADDITIONAL FUNDS IN THE FUND BALANCE.

THIS WILL BE THE LAST AMOUNT OF FUNDS THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE FOR FY 24 TO BE USED IN FY 25, AND THAT IS $3.5 MILLION, WHICH WILL BRING OUR ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE FOR FY 24 TO BE USED IN FY 25 TO 4.8, EXCUSE ME, $14.8 MILLION.

WE ALSO REVIEW OUR MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES, AND THOSE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUES INCLUDE THINGS SUCH AS REBATES AND INTEREST THAT WE RECEIVE.

WE HAVE A P CARD PROGRAM, AND BY USE OF THE P CARD, WE RECEIVE REBATES.

IN REVIEWING OUR TREND DATA.

OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, OUR BUDGET WAS A LITTLE LOW.

SO WE ARE RECOGNIZING ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THOSE P CARD REBATES OF $150,000 AND THEN MOVING FROM THE USE OF FACILITIES FROM A 50% FEE TO A 75% FEE WOULD INCREASE OUR PROJECTED REVENUE FOR THAT BY 560, EXCUSE ME, BY $468,000, AND THEN MOVING FROM A $135 FEE TO A $205 FEE WOULD INCREASE OUR REVENUES BY $582,000, WHICH BRINGS THE TOTAL ADJUSTMENT TO $4,007,916.

SO AT THIS TIME, STAFF WOULD SEEK APPROVAL OF THESE RECOMMENDED REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

WOULD YOU MIND PUTTING THE PREVIOUS PAGE JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN SEE? I KNOW WE HAVE IT UP HERE THAT WE, THE AUDIENCE CAN SEE AS WELL.

ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS TO ASK MISS CLAYBAUGH?

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I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD HAS BEEN UPDATED PREVIOUSLY ON THAT.

AND HERE WE'RE IN THE SLIDE.

WE'RE REVIEWING THE 3.5 MILLION.

CAN YOU DISCUSS THE FUND BALANCE.

ABSOLUTELY. SO IN THE FY 25 BOARD REQUESTED BUDGET, YOU HAD $8.792 MILLION AS THE ESTIMATED FUND BALANCE THAT WAS PART OF THE SUPERINTENDENT'S RECOMMENDED BUDGET THAT WAS RELEASED IN JANUARY.

AT OUR MAY 15TH MEETING, WE ADDED $2.5 MILLION TO THAT.

AND WITH THIS 3.5 MILLION, THAT GETS US TO OUR $14.8 MILLION, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY 1.6% OF YOUR FY 24 BUDGET.

S I DON'T SEE 14 ON THE ON THE PRESENTATION.

SO SO YOU'VE ALREADY ACCEPTED OKAY THAT AMOUNT.

AND SO THIS IS JUST THE ADDITIONAL MONEY OKAY.

GOTCHA. MISS GALLAGHER.

SIR, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE USE OF FACILITIES.

REVENUE. AND I THINK LAST TIME WE TALKED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL THAT WE'LL SEE SOME ATTRITION FROM PROGRAMS OR ORGANIZATIONS USING OUR FACILITIES.

SO IS THAT FACTORED INTO THIS PORTION OF THE INCREASE? ABSOLUTELY. WE USE THE SAME 75% ACTUALIZATION WHEN WE WERE ESTIMATING OUR REVENUES.

SO WE ASSUME THAT WE WOULD LOSE ABOUT 25% USAGE BASED UPON USING THESE FEES.

AND THAT'S AND SO WE USE THAT SAME PERCENTAGE TO DETERMINE THESE, THIS, THESE FEES AS WELL.

OKAY. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION ALSO IN REGARDS TO THE USE OF FACILITIES AND MAYBE IS NOT A QUESTION FOR YOU, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING AROUND WHETHER WE ARE CONSIDERING SOME ADDITIONAL EFFICIENCIES IN HOW WE'RE BILLING FOR USE OF FACILITIES.

IN MY OTHER HAT THAT I WEAR, I USE FCPS FACILITIES AND PAY THE FEE THROUGH MY ORGANIZATION, AND WE GET INDIVIDUAL BILLS POSTMARKED INDIVIDUALLY FOR $0.64 FOR A BILL THAT'S $2.

AND SO JUST LOOKING FOR WAYS THAT WE ARE DECREASING OUR COST FOR ACTUALLY BILLING FOR THE, FOR THOSE COSTS AND MAYBE BEING ABLE TO REALIZE MORE OF THOSE FEES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING THE POSTAGE SERVICE AS MUCH.

ABSOLUTELY. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING SOME UPDATES WHERE WE WILL HOPEFULLY BY JULY 1ST, BE ABLE TO EMAIL THE BILLS.

WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF UPDATING TO ACCEPT CREDIT CARDS ONLINE, BECAUSE WE KNOW FOR SOME OF OUR USER GROUPS, THE CREDIT CARD IS A MUCH EASIER WAY TO MAKE A PAYMENT THAN IT IS TO WRITE A CHECK, AND THAT ALSO IT HAS CREDIT CARD, BUT IT ALSO, I BELIEVE HAS A CHECK FEATURE AS WELL.

AND SO THAT'LL ALL BE DONE THROUGH OUR WEBSITE.

SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT.

IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT'S WE TEND TO WRITE A LOT OF CHECKS.

WE DON'T SEND A SEND OUT A LOT OF BILLS.

SO WE'RE WORKING ON ENSURING THAT WE ARE MOST EFFICIENT IN THAT IN THAT WAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS, MR. ROSE? I'LL START. I'LL START WITH THE FUND BALANCE.

HOW'S THAT? I'M JUST FOR THE PUBLIC.

I ASSUME I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION, BUT I WANT TO GET IT OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

ISN'T ISN'T. I MEAN, OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WE HAD A $10 MILLION FUND BALANCE LAST YEAR.

JUST MY BASIC CALCULATIONS.

WE HAD NEARLY A $5 MILLION FUND BALANCE IN 23 AND A NEARLY 4 MILLION.

SO BUT MORE THAN THAT, YES, ACTUALLY, WE'RE USUALLY RIGHT AROUND THE 1.5 TO 2% OF THE BUDGET IN FUND BALANCE EVERY YEAR.

SO IS IT NOT APPROPRIATE FOR US TO ESTIMATE WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE, WHAT OUR WHAT WE WON'T BE SPENDING IN THE COMING FISCAL YEAR AND APPLY IT TO THE CURRENT BUDGET? NO, BECAUSE YOUR FUND BALANCE IS REALLY YOUR SAFETY NET.

SO IF WE APPLY THAT, WE WILL HAVE NO SAFETY NET.

AND I ALWAYS LIKE TO THINK ABOUT THE FUND BALANCE BECAUSE THESE NUMBERS ARE SO HUGE.

THINKING ABOUT YOUR GROCERY BILL.

SO YOU GO TO THE STORE, YOU'VE CREATED A GROCERY LIST AND YOU ASSUME IT'S GOING TO COST $100.

YOU HAND THE CLERK $100, YOU GET $0.02 BACK.

THAT'S WHAT OUR FUND BALANCE IS.

IF WE HAVE A BAD YEAR, OUR SNOW BUDGET IS $581,000.

FIVE YEARS AGO, WE HAD SEVERAL BAD STORMS AND IT WAS OVER $2 MILLION.

SO IF WE GET A BAD SNOW, THIS $14 MILLION IS NOW 12 MILLION.

IT'S NOW $11.5 MILLION.

IT'S ALSO ASSUMING THAT WE WE BUDGET WITHIN OUR BUDGET FOR VACANCIES TO THE TUNE OF OVER $4.5 MILLION.

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THIS YEAR WE'LL BE BUDGETING, I BELIEVE IT'S $5.6 MILLION OF SALARY SAVINGS IN OUR BUDGET.

THIS. BY DOING THAT, WE WE ARE ACTUALLY VERY AGGRESSIVE IN BUDGETING FOR OUR FUND BALANCE TO BE USED IN THE NEXT YEAR.

THE COUNTY DOES NOT USE A FUND BALANCE UNTIL IT HAS BEEN AUDITED.

SO THE FUND BALANCE THAT THEY HAVE IN FY 24 WILL BE USED IN THEIR FY 26 BUDGET.

AND SO THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING UNLESS IT'S BEEN AUDITED.

SO WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHERE WE MEET AFTER EVERY PAYROLL THE FISCAL SERVICES TEAM AND REVIEW THE BUDGET.

AND SO BY DOING THIS WE ARE BASICALLY ASSUMING THAT WE WILL HAVE THIS EXACT SAME FUND BALANCE AVAILABLE IN FY 25, BECAUSE AS SOON AS YOU PUT IT IN, WHEN WE START THE BUDGET PROCESS FOR FY 26, IT IS ONE TIME REVENUE.

SO IT IS BACKED OUT OF THE BUDGET.

SO WE ARE ALREADY GOING TO CREATE A VERY BIG HOLE THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FILL IN FY 26 WITH THIS $14 MILLION, AND THEN WE WILL BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS GOING TO BE VERY TIGHT.

THE POSSIBILITY OF A SIGNIFICANT FUND BUDGET IN FY 25 IS VERY SLIM.

SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'LL BE AT OUR NEARLY 2% IN FY 25.

SO JUST FOR CLARITY, IN LAYMAN'S TERMS HERE, WE ACTUALLY BECAUSE THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY NEXT QUESTION.

IS IT IN ONE OF THE ANSWERS YOU PROVIDED, 85% OF THE FUND BALANCE ACTUALLY COMES FROM EMPLOYEE PAYROLL BENEFITS AND THE ASSOCIATED BENEFITS.

CORRECT. SO IN ESSENCE, WE ARE THOUGH IN OUR BUDGET PREPARATIONS, WE'RE REALLY CALCULATING FUND BALANCE BECAUSE WE'RE CALCULATING THAT RETIREES ARE RETIRING AND NEW TEACHERS ARE COMING IN AND THEY COST LESS.

ABSOLUTELY. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WE ARE WE'RE DOING WHAT I ASKED.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

YES, SIR. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I'LL KEEP ROLLING. ALL RIGHT, GO AHEAD.

I HAD ONE.

SO JUST A QUESTION.

JUST IN GENERAL, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING, THE 14 MILLION FUND BALANCES IN THE BUDGET ALREADY.

IT'S FUNDS THAT WERE IN YOUR FY 24 BUDGET THAT WE WILL NOT SPEND AND THAT WE CAN USE FOR.

GENERALLY, WE DIRECTED TOWARDS ONE TIME COSTS IN THE FY 25 BUDGET, RIGHT.

SO TECHNICALLY WE COULD YOU COULD HAVE YOU COULD HAVE 2 MILLION FROM THAT AND HAVE 12 MILLION THERE AND STILL HAVE IT IN CASE OF NOT A BAD IF YOU DON'T HAVE A BAD SNOW, YOU'RE A BAD SNOW.

YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE THAT. SO THERE'S $2 MILLION THAT ARE THERE.

YOU CAN TAKE $2 MILLION FROM THAT AND PUT IT INTO THE BUDGET.

AND YOU COULD LIKE TECHNICALLY NOT GO UNDER, BUT AS YOU HAD A BAD SNOW OR SOME KIND OF UNFORESEEN COST.

SO THIS IS MONEY THAT YOU'RE USING AS REVENUE FOR YOUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR IN 25.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT REALLY IT'S AVAILABLE AS REVENUE FOR 25.

BUT IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T BUDGET FOR REDUCING YOUR FUND BALANCE FOR YOU CAN'T BUDGET FOR YOUR 25 FUND BALANCE IN 25.

THAT THEN HELPS BALANCE YOUR 26 BUDGET.

OKAY. THANK YOU.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? GO AHEAD, MR. ROSE.

ALL RIGHT, LET'S GO TO USE THE FACILITIES.

AND I JUST WANTED THIS ALSO OUT IN THE PUBLIC.

I HAD ASKED THIS QUESTION.

HAVE WE HAVE WE CONSIDERED IN THE TIME THAT WE HAVE.

INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING 50% OR 75% GOING.

WHEN I LOOK AT IT, I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN LINES THAT ARE WAY UNDERPRICED.

OTHERS MAY BE REASONABLE.

HAVE WE CONSIDERED LOOKING AT GOING LINE BY LINE PRIOR TO JUST SAYING 75%? SO I THINK DURING THIS TRUNCATED TIME WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT, WE WANTED TO JUST KIND OF KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE, BUT IT IS IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE STAFF THAT DEALS WITH THE USE OF FACILITIES TO HAVE A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION, AS WE'RE ALREADY THINKING ABOUT OUR FY 26 BUDGET, THAT WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE FEES THAT ARE OFFERED OR THAT ARE AROUND US, AND THEN MAKE DECISIONS ON THAT.

ONE OF THE FEES THAT WE KNOW WE WANT TO RECONSIDER IS OUR IS OUR FACILITIES FEE FOR OUR ARTIFICIAL TURF BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AS COMPETITIVE WITH SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TAKE WE'D LIKE TO TAKE THAT TIME AND HAVE A MORE DISCERNING CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS.

WHEN WE GO TO FY 26.

AT THIS POINT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS MOST APPROPRIATE JUST TO TAKE THE FEE SCHEDULE AND ESTABLISH A PERCENTAGE REDUCTION

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ALL RIGHT. SPORTS FEES.

SO CURRENT SPORTS FEES ARE $95.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

AND WHAT IS WHAT IS IF THEY PLAY SAME SEASON SPORT.

WHAT'S THAT FEE.

IS THIS A REDUCTION OF 20%? SO LET ME. I THINK I HAVE THAT ON MY.

SO 75 ISH FOR THE SECOND SPORT IN THE SAME SEASON AND THE SAME SEASON.

AND ARE WE CURRENTLY GIVING A DISCOUNT IF THEY PLAY MULTIPLE SEASONS? SO IT'S $95 PER SEASON, REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY SEASONS THEY PLAY.

CORRECT. AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO RAISE THAT RATE TO 205.

CORRECT. WOULD THERE STILL BE THE SAME 20? ARE YOU CALCULATING A 20% DISCOUNT FOR SAME SEASONS? CORRECT. WE CALCULATE I CALCULATED A 20% DISCOUNT FOR THE SAME SEASON.

I ALSO CALCULATED INCREASING THE NEED OF WAIVERS.

BECAUSE WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT ALL STUDENTS HAVE ACCESS TO ATHLETIC EVENTS.

SO WE I DID A REDUCTION TO ACCOUNT FOR ADDITIONAL WAIVERS.

AND JUST SO EVERYBODY'S AWARE, THAT'S 114% INCREASE IN OUR SPORTS FEES FROM $95 TO 205.

AND YOU SUPPLIED THAT.

SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING DISTRICTS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN OURS ALREADY.

CORRECT? JUST LIKE I THINK IT'S PART OF OUR BOARD NORMS. AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO RESPECTFULLY VOTE NO ON THIS ADJUSTMENT.

BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I'D LIKE MORE DISCUSSION OVER THE NEXT TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO OUR JUNE 12TH MEETING, ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT BOTH FACILITY REVENUES AND THE INCREASED SPORTS FEES.

I'M NOT PARTICULARLY COMFORTABLE WITH HOW WE HANDLE THE WAIVER PROCESS.

I THINK THERE'D BE A MUCH MORE JUST MY OPINION.

I THINK IT'D BE MUCH MORE SIMPLIFIED THAT IF A STUDENT IS FREE AND REDUCED MEAL, IT SHOULD BE AUTOMATIC.

HE SHOULD BE WAVERED FOR HIS SPORTS FEES.

I THINK WE WOULDN'T PUT THE FAMILIES THROUGH A DOUBLE SITUATION OF FROM A COACHING PERSPECTIVE.

I KNOW FOR A FACT I HAD MULTIPLE PLAYERS OVER 14 YEARS WHO DID NOT FILL OUT THE WAIVER PAPERWORK AT A PRIDE, SO WE'RE ASKING THEM MULTIPLE TIMES, FILL OUT THIS PAPERWORK FOR THIS THOUGHT, THIS PAPERWORK FOR THAT.

SO JUST JUST FOR YOUR INFORMATION, TECHNICALLY WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO USE THE FREE AND REDUCED MEALS INFORMATION FOR ANYTHING BUT FREE AND REDUCED MEALS.

THAT IS THE FEDERAL LAW.

WELL, THEN ON THAT VEIN, I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER.

I'D STILL LIKE TO SEE US COME UP WITH A MORE SIMPLIFIED WAY FOR OUR FAMILIES TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A WAIVER PROCESS WHEN NECESSARY.

SO IN THAT VEIN, WITH TWO MORE WEEKS TO DISCUSS THESE ISSUES, I WILL BE VOTING NO.

MISS ALLEN. SO I'D LIKE TO REVISIT THE FUND BALANCE.

JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MISS CLAYBAUGH.

THE REVENUE IS AVAILABLE FOR EXPENDITURES.

IS THAT CORRECT? IN 25? YES. THE FUND BALANCE.

THIS FUND BALANCE OF $14.8 MILLION IS PART OF YOUR REVENUE FOR FY 25.

OKAY. AND IT IS IT COULD BE APPLIED TO EXPENDITURES.

ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.

GREAT. WE TRY TO ENSURE THAT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE APPLICATION IT IS TO ONE TIME EXPENDITURES BECAUSE IT IS NOT RECURRING REVENUE.

IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO TRACK TO ENSURE THAT.

BUT WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT ONE TIME EXPENDITURES WITHIN THE BUDGET.

GOT IT. THANK YOU.

MISS JOHNSON. THANK YOU.

IS THIS THE EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF RECOMMENDED REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS? YES. SO? HAVE WE LOOKED AT ELIMINATING BUSSING FOR ATHLETES? IN COUNTY. SO WE ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE RECOMMENDED INCREASING THE FEE WAS TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD PROVIDE BUSSING FOR OUR STUDENT ATHLETES BECAUSE, AS STAFF CONSIDERED IT, OUR CONCERN WAS THAT IT WOULD BE AN EQUITY ISSUE.

WE KNOW THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE WAIVERS SO THAT THE STUDENTS CAN PARTICIPATE, BUT UNLESS WE PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION, WE CANNOT ENSURE THAT STUDENTS ARE TRANSPORTED TO VARIOUS ACTIVITIES.

OKAY. MY NEXT THING IS, IS LOOKING AT OTHER POTENTIAL SOURCES OF SAVINGS.

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I'LL SAY PARKING HERE IN THIS PARKING GARAGE.

DO STAFF PAY FOR THE PARKING? NO. THE PARKING IS PROVIDED BY CPS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO, IF NOT TODAY, FOR OUR NEXT MEETING, TO KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING AND SUBSIDIZING FOR STAFF TO PARK IN THE PARKING GARAGE. WE CAN CERTAINLY GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU.

AND THEN THE REST AREN'T REALLY REVENUE.

THEY'RE NOT REALLY REVENUE BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THAT'S REVENUE LIKE THAT WOULD BE REVENUE IF STAFF WERE PAYING FOR THAT.

IT'S ACTUALLY WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY AN EXPENDITURE.

SO IT WOULD BE A REDUCTION IN EXPENDITURE.

SO IT WOULD NOT BE A REVENUE.

SO CAN I GO ON OTHER REDUCTIONS OF EXPENDITURES.

WELL I THINK IT PROBABLY WOULD BE BEST IF WE STUCK WITH THE REVENUES BECAUSE WE WILL BE LOOKING AT I WANT TO FRAME THE QUESTIONS IN THE RIGHT WAY, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF THINGS THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE, IF NOT JUST THE REST OF THE BOARD, BUT THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO DO AS WELL.

ABSOLUTELY. AT THIS STAGE, WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THESE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS, AND THEN WE WILL BE REVIEWING FY 25 REDUCTIONS TO THE BOARD REQUESTED BUDGET AND THEN ALSO ELIMINATIONS FROM THE FY 24 BUDGET.

SO IF WE VOTED FOR THIS NOW, COULD WE GO BACK AND REVISIT THE FUND BALANCE? IF YOU'RE ON THE FAVORABLE SIDE OF THIS VOTE, WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE AT THIS POINT TO BE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE IT'S IT'S VERY CONCERNING FOR ME TO EVEN OFFER UP THIS MUCH FUND BALANCE.

WELL, I'M LOOKING AT $3,500,000.

THAT'S LIKE A BIG ROUND NUMBER.

WELL, WHAT IF WE SAID 3000 $750,000? LIKE, AGAIN, WE'RE AT FOUR.

NEARLY $4.9 MILLION.

I WOULD BE $14.8 MILLION.

EXCUSE ME. I WOULD BE CONCERNED TO OFFER THAT IF WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE HE NEEDED $100,000, I COULD PROBABLY FIND THAT IN FUND BALANCE.

BUT ANYTHING ABOVE THAT I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, FRANKLY.

I ALSO HAVE CONCERNS THAT WE'RE EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN.

MY CONCERN IS, IS THAT WE WOULD END.

WE WOULD END THE YEAR IN A FISCAL WITHOUT A BALANCE, AND WE WOULD END THE YEAR IN A PLACE WHERE WE WOULD NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY. IF WE RECOGNIZE THIS, WE WOULD END AND BEGIN FY 25 IN A DEFICIT.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU RECOGNIZE TOO MUCH FUND BALANCE.

YOU START THE YEAR IN A DEFICIT, RIGHT? AND I KNOW THE COUNTY WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS WHEN THEY ALLOCATED THAT EXTRA MONEY TO US LAST YEAR, AND IT WENT TO THE MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT, AND IT SUNK THEM INTO A PERPETUAL EXPENDITURE.

CORRECT. I APPRECIATE THE JOB YOU DO.

AND I'VE SAID THAT MANY TIMES, AND WE'RE ALL FEELING THE PAIN AND PRESSURE POINTS ON THIS.

SO I DON'T MEAN TO LIKE, CONVERT WHAT I'M FEELING ONTO YOU, BUT I'M SITTING HERE AS A BASICALLY A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT WAS PUT INTO THIS POSITION.

AND I KNOW THE VALUES.

I LIKE TO THINK, I KNOW THE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THERE'S TO ME, I'M NOT WILLING TO ACCEPT RIGHT NOW, JUST THOSE BLANKET NUMBERS.

I'M NOT I'M, I'M I'M WILLING TO TRY TO PUSH THE ENVELOPE MORE ON THIS PARTICULAR BUDGET.

WELL, I THINK ONE OF THE IMPORTANT THINGS TO REMEMBER IS THAT THE COUNTY IS A REVENUE GENERATING ORGANIZATION, AND WE ARE NOT WE DO NOT GENERATE REVENUE EXCEPT THROUGH THESE VERY FEW SMALL THINGS.

IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE FEES, EVERY OTHER DOLLAR THAT WE RECEIVE IS EITHER RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY, THE STATE OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

AND AGAIN, RECOGNIZE THAT I'M LOOKING TO SEE HOW WE CAN INCREASE OUR OWN REVENUES AND THEN CONTINUE TO JUST KEEP PRESSING ON WHERE WE CAN FIND OTHER COST SAVINGS.

CAN I GET? CAN I GET CLARITY ON HER QUESTION I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK FOR? AND SO YOU GO AHEAD AND THEN I'LL ASK.

I JUST WANTED TO GET A CLARITY ON THAT.

THE FUND BALANCE THOUGH.

THE FUND BALANCE IS MONEY THAT WASN'T SPENT IN FY 24.

CORRECT? CORRECT.

IT'S NOT A PROJECTION OF FORWARD.

IT'S MONEY WE DID NOT SPEND IN OUR FY 24.

SO YOU'RE PROJECTING THAT THERE'S ANOTHER 3.5 MILLION THAT WILL SHOW UP IN THIS LAST QUARTER.

CORRECT. THAT WHAT I'M STATING IS, IS THAT THIS IS BASED UPON WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN OUR PROJECTIONS, AND WE DO VERY IN-DEPTH, DETAILED PROJECTIONS WHERE WE LOOK AT OUR THE LARGEST PART, OF COURSE, IS OUR POSITIONS, WHAT'S VACANT, WHAT'S BEEN FILLED, HOW WE'RE SPENDING, AND THEN

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AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROJECTING TO END THE YEAR WITH.

AND WE DO ANTICIPATE THERE'S USUALLY SOME THINGS THAT AREN'T SPENT OUT AT THE END OF THE YEAR THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO IF I SAY THERE'S $20 MILLION AVAILABLE AND THERE REALLY ONLY ENDS UP BEING $18 MILLION AVAILABLE, WE'VE CREATED A DEFICIT POSITION FOR THE NEXT YEAR. THAT'S WHY, BY AND LARGE, WE ARE CONSERVATIVE.

WE ARE NOT SO CONSERVATIVE AS TO NOT TO TIE THE HANDS OF THE BOARD, BUT WE ARE CONSERVATIVE BECAUSE IT IS OUR JOB AS FIDUCIARIES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYER DOLLAR.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I WANT THAT POINTED OUT TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S WHY I KIND OF HARP ON THIS IS THAT'S MONEY WE RECEIVED FROM THE COUNTY FOR FY 24 AND THE STATE, WE DIDN'T JUST BLOW IT.

CORRECT. WE'RE FORWARDING IT INTO OUR NEXT FISCAL YEAR.

SO MY QUESTION IS, THOUGH, WHEN WE GET TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR ON JUNE 30TH, IF.

BUT SOME. YOU SAY YOU'RE BEING VERY AGGRESSIVE HERE ABOUT PREDICTING THE 3.5.

IF BY SOME REASON WE HAVE ANOTHER HALF A MILLION, WHERE DOES THAT GO? SO IT BECOMES IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE INFORMATION WHEN I OFFER IT TO YOU, THERE IS AN AUDITED FUND BALANCE THAT ALSO COMES.

SO CURRENTLY FOR THE FY 25 BUDGET, THE AUDITED FY 23 FUND BALANCE IS RECOGNIZED IN FY 20 FOR THE FY 25. SO YOU DON'T LOSE THAT MONEY.

IT JUST GOES ANOTHER YEAR FORWARD.

AND BASICALLY WHAT IT DOES IS YES, OUR FISCAL YEAR IS OVER ON 630.

BUT FOR ANYONE WHO'S AN ACCOUNTANT, YOU KNOW THAT YOUR EXPENSES DO NOT END ON 630.

SO AS WE ARE CLOSING OUT THE YEAR WHERE WE HAVE OUR FINAL PAYROLLS ON 715, 731 AND 815, AS WELL AS THE FINAL EXPENDITURES, INVOICES ARE COMING IN.

WE CLOSE THE YEAR AND THEN WE BEGIN OUR AUDIT, AND WE HAVE 90 DAYS FROM THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO COMPLETE OUR AUDIT.

AND WHATEVER ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT IS AVAILABLE AT THE END OF THAT TIME IS RECOGNIZED WITHIN THE ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT AND THEN WILL BE USED IN YOUR FY 26 BUDGET.

SO JUST FOLLOWING UP AGAIN.

SO IN THAT ORIGINAL 8.8 MILLION THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE BUDGET, THE FUND BALANCE, THE ORIGINAL EIGHT POINT ACTUALLY IT WAS TWO SEPARATE LINES.

SO THE $8.79 MILLION WAS WHAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING TO BE AVAILABLE FROM FY 24.

AND THERE WAS ANOTHER LINE OF $5.3 MILLION, WHICH WAS YOUR AUDITED FUND BALANCE FROM FY 23.

SO THAT FIVE IS THAT 5.3 THAT'S ALREADY WITHIN YOUR REQUESTED BUDGET.

SO THERE'S ACTUALLY SO THERE'S ACTUALLY 13 MILLION.

THERE'S BOTH. WHAT.

SO WHEN YOU'RE BOTH WHAT MOVED FORWARD OUT OF FY 24 AND THE AUDITED AMOUNT FROM FY 23.

CORRECT. SO YOUR CURRENT FUND BALANCE THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IN FY 25, THE FY 24 UNSPENT FUNDS IS APPROXIMATELY $14.8 MILLION, PLUS THE FY 23 AUDITED FUND BALANCE OF $5.3 MILLION.

SO THOSE TWO NUMBERS MAKE UP THE TOTAL FUND BALANCE AVAILABLE FOR FY 25.

OH. OKAY.

I HEARD THAT CORRECTLY JUST NOW WHEN YOU BREAK DOWN.

SO I HEARD 14.8 THIS YEAR AND THEN FIVE FIVE CARRIED OVER FROM LAST YEAR FROM FY 23.

AND THAT HAPPENS EVERY YEAR.

EVERY YEAR THERE'S ALWAYS AN AUDITED FUND BALANCE.

BECAUSE AS GOOD AS WE ARE OR AS GOOD AS WE CAN BE, THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE THINGS THAT PERHAPS THE LAST MINUTE PO IS CANCELED.

WE HAD BUDGETED FOR SOME STIPENDS TO BE PAID AND THEY WERE NOT PAID, SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOME FUNDS AVAILABLE AFTER AS WE'RE FINISHING OUT AND CLOSING THE YEAR. THE THING TO REMEMBER IS, IS YOUR FY 25 BUDGET IS DUE BY LAW ON SIX 3020, 24.

SO THINGS HAPPEN AS YOU'RE CLOSING THE YEAR OUT THAT YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

SO BUT JUST NOW I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR.

CLARIFY I HEARD 14.8 FOR THIS YEAR AND THEN FIVE FROM LAST YEAR.

SO THAT'S $19 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE I'M HEARING.

OKAY, SO BEFORE I THOUGHT WE ONLY HAD 14.

SO NOW I'M HEARING 19.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT CARRY OVER FROM LAST YEAR.

WE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE CARRYOVER OKAY.

THAT'S THAT'S OPTIONS.

NO THAT'S THAT. BUT THAT'S ALREADY RECOGNIZED.

SO WE THAT'S ALREADY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN RECOGNIZED IN YOUR BOARD REQUESTED BUDGET.

ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.

AND SO THIS RIGHT WE HAVE TO APPROVE.

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IT'S NOT AN ADDITIONAL THIS IS NOT NEW MONEY.

THE ONLY THING THAT'S NEW IN REGARDS TO YOUR REVENUE THREE POINT ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THIS SLIDE.

YOU'VE ACCEPTED REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS ON YOUR 515 MEETING.

AND SO THE ONLY THING NEW TO GET US TO A BALANCED BUDGET ARE THESE ITEMS CURRENTLY.

GOTCHA. SO I KNOW, AND I.

BUT MR. ROSE DIDN'T ASK MY QUESTION.

SO JUST WHERE WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO REVISIT THE LET'S SAY WE PASS THIS, LET'S JUST SAY THIS, BUT WE DECIDE WE WANT TO LOOK AT FACILITIES REVENUES AND SPORTS FEES.

CAN WE COME BACK THEN? AS LONG AS WE DON'T CUT IT LOWER? OR IS IT BETTER TO NOT PASS IT? WELL, I BELIEVE MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE ROBERT'S RULES ARE IF YOU AS THE BOARD PASS THIS AND WOULD DETERMINE THIS, YOU COULD THEN.

AS ON THE PREVAILING SIDE.

COME BACK AND WE COULD REVIEW IT AGAIN.

BUT. OR WE COULD REVIEW SOME NEW INFORMATION, I GUESS.

COULDN'T WE MAKE A MOTION TO SPLIT THESE, THOUGH? COULDN'T WE ONLY APPROVE THE FUND BALANCE AND THE P CARD REBATES? DON'T BELIEVE YOU'VE MADE A MOTION YET.

NO, WE HAVEN'T, SO.

BUT NO, I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FINE.

YEAH. WE COULD. DO YOU WANT.

YES A MOTION TO.

YEAH. OKAY.

WE MIGHT. AND NOW, MR. BASS, YOUR TURN. BUT I DO HAVE A GENERAL QUESTION THAT I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN ASKED WHEN WE WERE AT THE MAY 15TH MEETING.

I JUST FEEL THAT THE FISCAL OUTLOOK PRESENTED WAS WAS DIRE.

IT WAS STATED BY I MEAN, I RECALL IT BEING STATED MISS CLAYBAUGH AND DOCTOR DYSON, THAT YOU DID NOT KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD FIND THE 6 MILLION TO BALANCE THE BUDGET.

AND SO WE'VE HAD A CHANGE IN THE FISCAL OUTLOOK AND I.

I'D LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO.

I'VE BEEN SURPRISED THAT GOING INTO THIS MAY 29TH MEETING, WE NOW HAVE A POTENTIAL BALANCED BUDGET.

THAT'S NOT HOW I LEFT THE MAY 15TH MEETING.

I DIDN'T HAVE CONFIDENCE WE WOULD GET THERE SO, SO QUICKLY.

I'D LIKE YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT.

SO I THINK WHEN YOU, WHEN WE GET TO THE EXPENSE RECOMMENDATIONS, I THINK YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY WERE NOT EASY RECOMMENDATIONS.

AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THESE ARE EASY RECOMMENDATIONS, ARE BEING AGGRESSIVE ON THE SPORTS FEE AND ON THE USE OF FACILITIES FEE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS SOMETHING WE HAD THOUGHT ABOUT UNTIL SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS KIND OF ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND SO WE'RE LIKE, OKAY, WELL, THOSE QUESTIONS WERE ASKED.

LET'S GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHERE WE CAN GET TO THE FUND BALANCE.

IT'S NOT UNUSUAL FOR US TO SEE THE FUND BALANCE AS, AGAIN, WE MEET AFTER EVERY PAYROLL TO REVIEW THE FUND BALANCE.

AND SO THIS NUMBER I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T ANTICIPATE ANY CHANGES.

BUT WE WILL HAVE A MEETING NEXT WEEK AFTER THE 531 PAYROLL POST.

AND WE'LL TAKE A LOOK AT IT AGAIN.

SO THAT'S SO THAT'S PROBABLY.

I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHEN WE GET TO THE EXPENSES, I'M SURE YOU'VE ALREADY REVIEWED THEM.

NONE OF THEM ARE EASY CHOICES.

SOME OF THE THINGS WE WENT AND LOOKED TO SEE IF THERE WERE AVAILABLE GRANT FUNDS.

IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN COVER IN A GRANT SUCH AS THE ONLINE IEP? AND WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.

OTHER THINGS WE LOOKED AT, WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO PERHAPS PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CONTRACTED SERVICES FOR OUR FACILITIES AND MAINTENANCE GROUP OR OUR BUS, BUS SERVICES.

SO THAT'S SO THESE HAVE BEEN REALLY SIGNIFICANT CUTS THAT ARE, THAT HAVE HAPPENED.

SO I DON'T THINK I WOULD EVER CONSIDER THIS TO BE EASY.

WE'RE JUST UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THAT WE IN THAT TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER PERHAPS MEETING IN JUNE BECAUSE WE NEED TO REALLY BE BALANCED ON JUNE 12TH IN ORDER FOR US TO GET ALL OF THE PAPERWORK FINISHED SO THAT IT CAN BE SIGNED AT THE 26TH MEETING, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE SIGNED BY THE COUNTY EXECUTIVE THE NEXT DAY.

WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GIVE AN OPTION TO SEE WHAT WE COULD GET TO HOPEFULLY GET YOU TO A BALANCED PLACE, OR AT LEAST GIVE US SOME MORE.

IF THESE THINGS ARE NOT WHAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN, GIVE US SOME MORE IDEAS ON WHICH WAY SHOULD WE? WE SHOULD CONTINUE LOOKING.

SO I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE HONESTLY, WHAT WE PRESENTED ON THE 15TH WAS EXTREMELY HEAVY.

IT WAS A LOT OF WORK JUST TO GET TO THAT POINT.

IT WAS EMOTIONAL, AND I WAS HONEST WHEN I SAID, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE REST OF THE MONEY.

BUT THE NEXT DAY, AFTER EVERY BOARD MEETING, CABINET GETS BACK TOGETHER TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO IT, BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB TO PRESENT OPTIONS TO THIS

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WE LOOKED AT ALL OF THESE, THE PLACES WHERE WE'VE DONE HIRING FREEZES.

AND SO IT WAS EXHAUSTING TO GET TO MAY 15TH.

AND BUT BECAUSE WE STILL HAD A FUND BALANCE, THAT THE JOB OF TRYING TO FIND PLACES TO PRESENT RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS BOARD IS STILL A PART OF OUR JOB. SO THE NEXT DAY AFTER THE BOARD MEETING, THAT'S WHAT WE DO AND WHAT WE'VE DONE UNTIL WE HAD TO PRESENT THIS HERE.

SO I DON'T I SAY THAT TO SAY IS IT TAKES TREMENDOUS EXAMINATION OF ADDITIONAL AREAS TO CUT, INCLUDING, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE NIGHT WHERE WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE HAD TO HAVE ANSWERS FOR STAFFING.

SO SOME STAFF GOT BUSY ON THAT ASPECT, AND THE REST OF US HAD TO FIGURE OUT OTHER PLACES TO CUT.

MISS GALLAGHER. THANK YOU.

SO, MISS CLAYBAUGH, I'M GOING TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS, AND YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, TOO.

BUT WE MADE SOME DECISIONS TO FREEZE SPENDING A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, MAYBE APRIL.

IT WAS MARCH. MARCH, THE END OF MARCH.

BECAUSE WE SAW THAT THIS BUDGET OUTLOOK WAS NOT GREAT.

AND SO I'M ASSUMING PART OF OUR FUND BALANCE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS BECAUSE WE FROZE SPENDING IN ANTICIPATION OF NEEDING THESE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO CARRY FORWARD.

AND WE ALSO FROZE SOME HIRING OF POSITIONS AS WELL.

CORRECT. SO CORRECT.

IN OUR CENTRAL OFFICE WE FROZE HIRING.

EVERY POSITION IN CENTRAL OFFICE HAD TO BE REVIEWED, AND FRANKLY, THE ONLY ONES THAT WERE ALLOWED TO MOVE FORWARD WERE CRITICAL.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, OUR PAYROLL MANAGER RESIGNED FOR ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.

SO THAT'S A VERY CRITICAL POSITION.

SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF HIRING THAT POSITION.

YEAH. SO SO THESE DECISIONS THAT YOU PROACTIVELY MADE HELPED CONTRIBUTE TO US HAVING SOME FUND BALANCE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO APPLY AS WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY NOT HAVE TO CUT ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, PEOPLE AND PROGRAMS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.

AND I THINK TO DOCTOR DYSON'S POINT, WE MADE SOME REALLY DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT ARE ALREADY IMPACTING SCHOOLS SCHEDULE, STAFFING.

I JUST HEARD FROM SOMEBODY AS I WAS WALKING INTO THE BUILDING THAT WE HAVE A HIGH SCHOOL THAT'S HAD TO ELIMINATE THREE OF THEIR CTE CLASSES FOR NEXT YEAR BECAUSE AS A RESULT OF US INCREASING CLASS SIZE OR STUDENT TO TEACHER RATIO, THEY SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO OFFER THOSE CLASSES.

AND THAT'S HAPPENING AT EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL AROUND THE DISTRICT.

AND SO NONE OF THESE DECISIONS HAVE BEEN EASY.

I DON'T THINK THAT EVEN WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE EASY, BUT WE ALSO MADE A COMMITMENT TO OUR STAFF ACROSS THE SYSTEM THAT ANYTHING IMPACTING THEIR PLACEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR AND ENSURING THAT THEY HAD A PLACE WOULD BE MADE BACK IN MAY.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S ALREADY BEEN PAIN FELT IN EACH ONE OF THE SCHOOLS, AS THEY'RE FIGURING OUT WHAT THEY'LL BE ABLE TO OFFER TO STUDENTS NEXT YEAR, WHETHER THEY'LL OUR STAFF WILL BE IN THE SAME BUILDING, SO I DON'T.

KNOW THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE EASY, BUT I SORT OF FEEL LIKE WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS WHERE WE ARE.

AND I'M I APPRECIATE YOUR DILIGENCE AROUND THE FUND BALANCE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET TO THE PLACE NEXT YEAR WHERE WE CAN'T HIRE ALL OF OUR POSITIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO DO IT.

AND WE'VE PROJECTED THESE POSITIONS ALREADY DUE TO OUR GROWTH.

AND SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, THEY LOOK LIKE BIG NUMBERS.

BUT PERCENTAGE WISE OF OUR BUDGET, THEY'RE ACTUALLY QUITE SMALL.

MR. JAY. OH.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, REVEREND DYSON, FOR SPEAKING TO STAFF AND DYSON.

COULD YOU JUST ASK YOU TO JUST TO BRIEFLY SHARE.

WE DID HAVE A HARD MEETING LAST, LAST TIME WE WERE HERE.

AND IF YOU COULD SHARE SOME OF THE THE OUTCOMES THAT HAD TO HAPPEN AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED AS A RESULT OF OUR VOTE? I CAN START, BUT I CERTAINLY LIKE OUR CHIEF OF HR TO COME AND SHARE AS WELL.

THEY KEEP A TRACKER OF EVERY OF ALL THE POSITIONS THAT WERE ELIMINATED OR APPROVED FOR ELIMINATION.

DURING THE LAST BOARD MEETING, WE JUST HAD ITEMS TODAY AND WE DISCUSSED WHERE WE WERE IN TERMS OF FINDING A HOME FOR EACH TEACHER.

AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN WE ELIMINATE POSITIONS, WE STILL OWE TEACHERS A POSITION.

AND SO THOSE POSITIONS COME BECAUSE WHEN WE HAVE GROWTH POSITIONS OR PERHAPS THE POSITION WAS VACANT, THEN WE CAN MOVE STRATEGICALLY, MOVE TEACHERS INTO THOSE VACANT

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I KNOW WE HAD ABOUT 150 ABOUT PLACEMENTS TO MAKE, AND WE ARE DOWN TO ABOUT 3040.

BUT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU, DOCTOR SIRGO.

SO GOOD EVENING. I'M SO GLAD YOU ASKED THIS QUESTION, MR. JAY, BECAUSE I THINK YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE POSTING THINGS ON FACEBOOK OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA ABOUT JOB FAIRS AND THINGS, PEOPLE ARE SAYING, GOD, THAT'S SO INCONGRUENT.

I THOUGHT THEY CUT EVERYBODY.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT FULLY STAFFED.

AND SO EVEN WHEN WE WHAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND ABOUT STAFFING IS THAT IT'S INCREDIBLY NIMBLE AND IT'S LIKE ITS OWN ECOSYSTEM.

SO EVERY TIME SOMEONE GETS A PROMOTION THAT CREATES A VACANCY, EVERY TIME SOMEONE TAKES A DIFFERENT TYPE OF A JOB, EVEN WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION THAT CREATES A VACANCY, RETIREMENTS, RESIGNATIONS, ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

SO IT'S A SORT OF POSITION OPENINGS IS IS ALWAYS ALIVE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

RIGHT. SO WE'RE ALWAYS HIRING EVEN WHEN WE CUT STAFFING BECAUSE OF THAT VERY NATURE OF THE WHAT CREATES OPENINGS.

OUR NUMBERS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT HIGHER DOCTOR DYSON THAN THAT AS DOCTOR ALVEDA AND I'VE WORKED TOGETHER.

SO ESSENTIALLY PRIOR TO THE LAST BOARD MEETING, WE ALREADY HAD A PLAN PREPARED BECAUSE WE KNEW HOW IMPORTANT THIS WAS TO STAFF.

AND I WANT TO JUST SORT OF SAY HOW MUCH I KNOW.

I PERSONALLY APPRECIATED SO MANY OF THE MESSAGES WE GOT FROM EMPLOYEES.

I PERSONALLY GOT FEELING VERY CARED FOR BECAUSE OF HOW IMPORTANT THESE DECISIONS ARE.

PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO MAKE REALLY IMPORTANT LIFE AFFECTING DECISIONS ABOUT ABOUT THEIR LIFESTYLE, THEIR JOBS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

BUT IN SHORT, WE HAVE CLOSE TO AROUND, I WOULD SAY, ANYWHERE AROUND 75 TO 80 PEOPLE THAT WE NEED TO REHOME.

AS I LIKE TO SAY AMONG THE DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED, WE HAVE EVERY SINGLE AFFECTED EMPLOYEES BEEN INFORMED THAT OCCURRED BY THE END OF FRIDAY LAST WEEK. ALL OF THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN ASKED TO GIVE US THEIR INTERESTS, THEIR DESIRES.

WE KNOW THEIR AREAS OF CERTIFICATION, THEIR LEVELS OF WORK.

TOMORROW, HR AND OUR SALE TEAM, OUR SAS TEAM UNDER DOCTOR ALVITO'S LEADERSHIP WILL MEET AND WE WILL PLACE EVERYONE FOR WHOM WE CAN.

AND WHEN I SAY FOR WHOM WE CAN, THERE ARE SOME TIMES CONDITIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE OUTLIERS.

THEY MIGHT BE SINGLE CERTIFIED, SO MAYBE THEY'RE CERTIFIED IN A PARTICULAR JOB THAT'S VERY NARROW AND WE DON'T HAVE ANOTHER JOB LIKE THAT.

THERE ARE ALSO PEOPLE FOR WHOM THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA OF CERTIFICATION THAN WE HAVE CURRENT VACANCIES.

AGAIN, IT'S A LIVE PROCESS, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYONE TOMORROW.

WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF AS MANY AS WE CAN.

AND SO THAT'S SORT OF WHAT'S HAPPENED.

AND SO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE ALSO ACCESSING OUR CURRENT OPEN TRANSFER SEASON, SO THEY CAN HAVE SOME CONTROL IN THEIR OUTCOME THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THEM.

SO WE ALSO HAVE PEOPLE SORT OF REHOMING THEMSELVES BY TAKING, YOU KNOW, TAKING A PRIVILEGE TO DO THAT.

BUT THE SORT OF THE EMOTIONAL TENOR OF THIS HAS BEEN VERY HEAVY FOR PEOPLE.

I'VE NOT YET TALKED TO A PRINCIPAL WHO HAS SAID, OH, THAT WAS EASY.

YOU KNOW, WE COLLECT THE EVALUATION DATA ON ALL THESE EMPLOYEES.

AS I LOOKED AT IT TODAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HIGHLY EFFECTIVE STAFF WHO'VE SPENT, IN SOME CASES, THEIR CAREERS IN BUILDINGS.

AND SO SORT OF THIS HAS BEEN A VERY REVERBERATING EFFECT.

BUT I WILL SAY THAT PEOPLE DO FEEL CARED FOR.

THEY ARE COUNTING ON US TO CREATE STABILITY FOR THEM AND NOT CREATE ANY NEW CONDITIONS OF CHANGING AND STAFFING, BECAUSE THEY ARE REALLY LIFE ALTERING FOR PEOPLE.

AND SO I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION.

I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY MORE SPECIFICS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT OUR PROCESS.

NO THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SPEAK TO THE FACT THAT WE HAD WE HAD THESE THESE, THESE LIVES IN THE BALANCE FOR THE LAST VOTE AND WHAT WE DID WE HAD WE HAD THAT PRESSURE ON US. WE HAD TO MAKE SURE WE, WE HAD EMPLOYEES IN THE RIGHT PLACE SO WE COULDN'T POSTPONE BECAUSE ACTUALLY, I ASKED A QUESTION ON LAST MEETING, COULD WE POSTPONE THE VOTE BECAUSE I'M THINKING ABOUT SHIFTING MONEY, BUT I JUST I JUST MONEY ARE LIVES AT STAKE.

AND SO WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, TAKING CARE OF EMPLOYEES AND BEING AND BEING THAT, YOU KNOW, RESPONSIBLE EMPLOYER, YOU CAN'T JUST PUSH A ITEM OFF TO THE SIDE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO FIND MONEY FOR IT LATER ON WHEN YOU HAVE A NEED RIGHT THERE.

SO THAT'S WHAT KIND OF DROVE THE VOTE LAST TIME FOR US.

SO YEAH, AND I AND I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR.

HONESTLY, I THINK AS WE LOOK AT HOW THESE CONVERSATIONS ARE UNFOLDING IN SIMILAR WAYS ACROSS THE STATE, IF NOT THE COUNTRY, I THINK PEOPLE REALLY FELT HEARD AND UNDERSTOOD.

YOU KNOW, HR CAN BE ACCUSED OF BEING TRANSACTIONAL.

CERTAINLY WE KNOW THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.

AND SO I DO THINK I'VE REALLY TRIED, PARTICULARLY AS A LEADER ALONG WITH OUR TEAM, TO SORT OF SAY THIS IS ABOUT PEOPLE, RIGHT? AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE CHOOSE THEIR BOSS AND THEIR COMMUNITY AND THEIR SCHOOL MORE THAN JUST THEIR EMPLOYER.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO DON'T.

IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT FCPS, IT'S ABOUT THEIR SCHOOL.

IT'S ABOUT THEIR TEAM. IT'S ABOUT THEIR LEADER.

AND SO I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE AND RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, DO I HAVE A JOB? IT'S ALSO WHERE THEY WORK.

AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MATCH PEOPLE AND TO CREATE THE CONDITIONS FOR THEM TO BE REHOMED WITH SUCCESS.

WE HAVE A SOP THAT WE'RE USING THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY JUST US PLACING THEM, BUT HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR PLACEMENT AND THE RECEIVING SCHOOL, WELCOMING THEM

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BUT IT CERTAINLY CREATED SOME NOISE FOR PEOPLE.

BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY THE TIMING PEOPLE APPRECIATE AND WELCOME.

YEAH. AND SO JUST TO THAT POINT, I JUST WANT TO POINT TO THOSE WHO ARE HERE FOR RSVP.

ACTUALLY, LAST WEEK WHEN WE MET, WAS IT LAST WEEK I'M NOT SURE WE HAD IT'S BEEN A BLUR TWO WEEKS AGO.

ONE THING I WAS LOOKING FOR WAS ASKING IF WE COULD FIND MONEY TO TRY TO FIND MONEY TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAD GOING ON, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ON THAT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT CAME UP TO THE POINT.

IT WAS I WAS PUSHED TO THE POINT BECAUSE WE HAD A PLACE EMPLOYEES.

AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

I RESPONDED TO SOME OF YOU ABOUT BY EMAIL, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT IT ON RECORD THAT I UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN.

ACTUALLY, I FOUGHT FOR RVP TO BE IN POSITION.

THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE PREVIOUS BOARDS WANTING TO REDUCE IT.

IN PRIOR YEARS I'VE FOUGHT FOR IT FOR YEARS.

I THINK IT MAKES US NIMBLE.

I THINK IT PROVIDES A GREAT SERVICE, BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS WHERE WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, FAMILIES HAVING A WORKING PARENT AT HOME VERSUS OUR PROGRAM, MAINTAINING ITS POSTURE.

AND SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW, THAT'S WHY I VOTED LIKE I DID LAST WEEK, BECAUSE I HAD THAT DECISION TO MAKE.

SO THANK YOU.

MISS ALLEN.

SO IF YOU WOULD DOCTOR SERGIO OR MISS CLAYBAUGH REVISIT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THAT NEEDED TO BE REHOMED BASED ON THE DECISIONS THAT WE MADE LAST.

DOCTOR ALFREDO, DO YOU REMEMBER THAT NUMBER WE LOOKED AT TODAY? YOU HAD IT JUST A SHORT WHILE AGO.

IT'S SUCH A LIVE DOCUMENT.

SO THAT'S. IT WAS THOUGHT WAS LIKE 34 ELEMENTARY.

DO YOU REMEMBER THOSE NUMBERS? ARE YOU ASKING FOR WHAT IT WAS TWO WEEKS AGO OR WHAT IT IS NOW? WHAT IT WAS, WHAT THE TOTAL WAS.

AFTER THE MAY 15TH DECISIONS WERE MADE.

YEAH, IT WAS OVER 150.

BUT THAT, LIKE I SAID, THE LIST IS LIVE BECAUSE EVERY DAY PEOPLE ARE EITHER INTERVIEWING OR SEEKING JOBS.

AND WE'RE SORT OF WE'RE GOING TO PLACE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO IT THAT WAY.

BUT THE LIST CHANGES ON A DAILY BASIS BASED ON PEOPLE SORT OF FINDING THEIR OWN WAY.

I GOT IT, I UNDERSTAND THAT'S FLUID.

YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE POSITIONS WERE NEW TO FCPS, SO THEY HADN'T BEEN FILLED YET.

SO IT WAS NOT SIMPLY MOVING PEOPLE FROM EXISTING POSITIONS WHO HAD JOBS, BUT IT'S ALSO VACANCIES THAT WERE CREATED THROUGH THE STAFFING FORMULA, THROUGH NEW POSITIONS, THROUGH ADDITIONAL STAFF FOR SPECIAL ED THAT HAD YET TO BE FILLED.

SO THERE WAS A MIX OF EXISTING POSITIONS AND NEW POSITIONS THAT WE ENDED UP ELIMINATING.

THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

ACTUALLY, I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC IN MY ASK.

SO IT WAS PEOPLE WHO WERE IN EXISTING POSITIONS, CORRECT? YEAH. THANK YOU.

YES. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BECAUSE I'M ALSO HEARING I'VE LIVED THROUGH IT, MR. JAY. YOU MAY HAVE LIVED THROUGH IT AS WELL.

IT'S IT'S AN INCREDIBLY UNSETTLING TIME, AS YOU SAY.

NO PRINCIPLE SAYS THIS IS EASY.

YOU KNOW, THEY PREFER IF SOMEBODY VOLUNTEERS TO TRANSFER, BUT THAT OFTEN DOESN'T HAPPEN.

AND THEN YOU YOU WAIT AND AND NOT KNOW WHAT YOUR FATE IS.

AND, YOU KNOW, I EVEN GOT TO A POINT IN MY CAREER WHERE BETWEEN TWO OF US HAD TO MAKE A DECISION, WE WERE OFFERED FULL TIME, AND WE WERE WE SAID, NO, THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S LIKE, IS THAT A PROBLEM? YES, THAT'S A PROBLEM.

AND, YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT THE SITUATION, I SAID, I DON'T AT THIS POINT, I DON'T CARE WHERE I TEACH, BUT THEN YOU STILL SIT AND WAIT AND THE WHOLE ANYWAY, IT'S, IT'S AND SO ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS BASICALLY ARE UNSETTLED.

DOCTOR DYSON, YOU KNOW, WHEN STUDENTS SIGN UP FOR SCHEDULES, THAT'S DONE EARLY IN THE YEAR, RIGHT? JANUARY, FEBRUARY.

AND SO AT WHAT POINT DO SCHOOLS, ESPECIALLY THE HIGH SCHOOLS AND MIDDLE SCHOOLS, HAVE THEIR SCHEDULES SET FOR THE NEXT YEAR? AND NOW THEY'VE HAD TO COMPLETELY REDO THAT.

THAT THAT'S OCCURRING RIGHT NOW.

SO THE SCHEDULES WERE SET.

THEY HAVE TO GO BACK AND REDO THOSE SCHEDULES.

AND WE'VE BEEN HEARING THAT THAT PEOPLE HAVE HAD TO EITHER CHANGE OR ELIMINATE OFFERINGS.

IT IS IT'S IT'S AN INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCE.

YES. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S BEEN ANY FORMAL COMMUNICATION TO STUDENTS WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR CERTAIN CLASSES JUST FOR THE PROGRAM TO BE CUT, BECAUSE I KNOW FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE THIS WEEK, WE'VE JUST BEEN TOLD WE'VE HEARD FROM BASICALLY RUMORS THAT HAVE SPREAD BUT HAVE HAPPENED TO BE TRUE.

WE'VE HEARD AND THEN HAD TO GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR GUIDANCE COUNSELORS, BUT NOBODY'S REACHED OUT TO ANYONE CONCERNING THAT.

THEY HAVE TO CHOOSE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT COURSES NEXT YEAR.

SO I THINK THE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, WITH THAT COMPLEX MASTER SCHEDULE, I BELIEVE THAT THE PRINCIPALS AND THEIR STAFF ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE

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SO I WOULD IMAGINE I I'M NOT SURE WHEN YOU TYPICALLY GET YOUR SCHEDULE IF IT COMES IN THE SUMMERTIME OR IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU LEAVE THE BUILDING WITH.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE CASE, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH IT CURRENTLY, AND I'M SURE THERE, YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS THEY'D LOVE TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHILE THEY'RE STILL MOVING, THAT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER WALKED INTO TO SEE THE MASTER SCHEDULE ON THE BOARD.

IT'S QUITE THE IMPRESSIVE THING, ESPECIALLY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.

THAT'S SO IT'S IT'S I'M THINKING THAT'S THE DUST HAS YET TO SETTLE, FRANKLY.

AND I THINK I WOULD BE CLEAR LIKE, SO JUST SORT OF TO ALWAYS GIVE CONTEXT LAST YEAR, LAST WEEK WAS GRADUATION.

AND WE KNOW THAT ALL OF OUR HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPALS AND THEIR TEAMS WERE VERY FOCUSED ON THAT.

SO I IMAGINE THIS WEEK AND WE'RE ONLY TWO DAYS INTO IT, THEY ARE HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, SOMETIMES RUMORS GET AHEAD OF US TAKING BEING ABLE TO TAKE ACTION.

SO I WOULD JUST SORT OF ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO SHOW SOME RESTRAINT AND THAT IF YOU ARE HEARING RUMORS, YOU GO TALK TO YOUR SCHOOL PRINCIPAL, YOUR ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL DIRECTLY.

EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS A PLAN TO MAKE THOSE COMMUNICATIONS, BUT I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO SORT OF MAYBE MAKE AN INFERENCE THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE SO OR WON'T DO SO.

I THINK THEY ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THAT NOW.

OKAY. I JUST I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN WAS WITH GETTING THESE COMMUNICATIONS OUT BECAUSE LIKE I THINK DOCTOR DYSON SAID, I FORGET WHO SAID IT, BUT THESE SCHEDULES, WE PICK OUR CLASSES IN JANUARY, AND THEN WE FIND OUT A COUPLE OF WEEKS BEFORE SCHOOL STARTS.

SO AND THEN IT'S VERY STRESSFUL TO GET AN APPOINTMENT WITH YOUR COUNSELOR, ESPECIALLY AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, TO TRY AND CHANGE THOSE THOSE CLASSES AT THAT POINT.

SO THAT WAS JUST MY POINT OF VIEW.

BUT THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING IT.

SURE. BUT I THINK THE THE PICTURE IS CLEAR THAT THERE'S A LOT OF TURMOIL AND DISRUPTION, AND IT'S NOT ENDING AS A NORMAL SCHOOL YEAR, WE WOULD HOPE.

MISS JOHNSON. THANK YOU.

AND I KNOW THIS WILL IMPACT HOW I POTENTIALLY WILL VOTE ON ANY OF THE ANY MOTION OR MOTIONS THAT MIGHT BE MADE AGAINST THIS, THIS, THIS KIND OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE WE'RE GOING AND WHERE WE CAME FROM.

AND ONE, I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS REVOLVING AROUND SOME OF OUR COST AREAS, AND I WOULD JUST AND I'M SORRY THAT THIS IS OFF THE CUFF RIGHT NOW.

BUT ON ON THE 2024 BUDGET, WE HAD OUR CURRICULUM SUPERVISION LINE ITEM GO FROM 10,966,433 TO 18,000,923 832 I KNOW WE HIRED CAREER COUNSELORS, BUT CAN WE SPEAK TO THAT? SO THE CURRICULUM SUPERVISION BUDGET, WE ACTUALLY MOVED MULTIPLE PROGRAMS OUT OF WHEN WE DID OUR REORGANIZATION TO THE EQUITY AND ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT TEAM.

OUR ML TEAM USED TO LIVE WITHIN EQUITY AND ORGANIZATIONAL DEVELOPMENT, AND IT WAS MOVED TO CURRICULUM SUPERVISION AS WELL AS THE ADVANCED ACADEMIC TEAM.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE BIG CHANGE HAPPENED IN THAT BUDGET.

IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT FY 24 BUDGET BOOK.

BECAUSE I KNEW DURING EACH STEP BY STEP THINGS MADE SENSE TO ME.

BUT THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT CHANGING WHERE THEY SHOW UP IN THE LINE ITEM, IT'S LIKE, OH, WAIT A SECOND, WHAT DID WE APPROVE SOMETHING I MISSED? SO THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING THAT QUESTION.

JUST TO NOTE, MLB AND MULTILINGUAL, CORRECT MULTILINGUAL LEARNERS, THAT'S IT'S BEEN I BELIEVE PREVIOUSLY IT WAS ENGLISH LEARNERS.

AND THAT IS THE NEW LANGUAGE THAT WE'RE USING MOVING FORWARD.

YOU'LL ALSO HEAR MEP WHICH IS MULTILINGUAL EDUCATIONAL PROGRAM AS WELL.

AND ONE MORE WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT'S NO LONGER MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT.

CORRECT? IT'S LOCAL SHARE.

IT DEPENDS UPON THE COUNTY YOU'RE IN.

WE ARE A MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT COUNTY.

WE ARE NOT A LOCAL SHARE COUNTY.

WE WILL EVENTUALLY.

THE GOAL IS FOR EVERY COUNTY TO BECOME LOCAL SHARE, AND IT HAS ITS OWN COMPLEXITIES AND DRAWBACKS.

WHEN YOU'RE A LOCAL SHARE COUNTY, AS SOME OF MY FELLOW CFOS THROUGHOUT THE STATE COULD TESTIFY TO, THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE I WAS STARTING TO SEE LOCAL SHARE EVERYWHERE.

AND I THOUGHT, WHEN DID THAT CHANGE? SO OKAY, GOOD TO KNOW.

ALL RIGHT. SO HAS MR. ROSE. FIRST OFF, I REALLY AS MUCH FOR THE PUBLIC AS FOR US.

I MEAN, WE'RE LEARNING A LOT TOO, BUT FOR THE PUBLIC, I APPRECIATE THIS DISCUSSION, PARTICULARLY ONE AROUND THE IMPACT OF THE VOTE WE TOOK ON THE 15TH TO INCREASE CLASS SIZES BY ONE BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT THAT'S NOT JUST WHAT THAT IS.

IT INCREASES CLASS SIZES ACROSS THE BOARD IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

IT AFFECTS OUR STAFFING MODEL.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, IT AFFECTS OUR OFFERINGS TO OUR STUDENTS.

IT AFFECTS THE SERVICES WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO OUR STUDENTS.

SO IT'S IT'S A VERY BROAD BECAUSE I WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT TO I'VE RECEIVED NOTES.

WHY DON'T YOU JUST INCREASE CLASS SIZES BY TWO.

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AND I HAD THE BENEFIT OF GOING TO ALL THE GRADUATIONS LAST WEEK AND HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO A LOT OF ADMINISTRATORS AND TEACHERS AND THAT PARTICULAR INCREASE IN THEIR OPINION, AND I TRUST THEIR OPINION WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO OUR SYSTEM, THAT THE THE CLASS OFFERINGS THAT WOULD BE REDUCED TO OUR STUDENTS AND THE STAFFING, THE IMPACT THAT WOULD HAVE ON OUR STAFFING MODEL WOULD BE DEVASTATING TO OUR SYSTEM.

SO I APPRECIATED THAT OPPORTUNITY AND HOW OPEN MANY OF THE ADMINISTRATORS AND TEACHERS WERE LAST WEEK WHEN I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM.

I ALSO APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FLUIDITY OF OUR HUMAN RESOURCES, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT OUR STAFFING COMPARISON, THIS TIME LAST YEAR, WE HAD 84 RESIGNATIONS.

THIS TIME THIS YEAR WE HAVE 113.

SO WE'RE ALREADY OUTPACING LAST YEAR, WHICH LAST YEAR OUTPACED THE YEAR BEFORE, AND SO FORTH AND SO ON.

SO THAT SPEAKS RIGHT THERE.

WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WHY ARE YOU HAVING AFFAIRS? WELL, THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE 20, YOU KNOW, 30 PLUS MORE RESIGNATIONS THAN WE HAD LAST YEAR.

SO I APPRECIATE THOSE TYPE OF TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS.

TO GO BACK ON TO THE FUND BALANCE.

AND THIS IS WHY THIS WHOLE FUND BALANCE DISCUSSION.

AND I FIRST LET ME SAY I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING.

YOU'RE ALREADY UNDERSTAFFED, OVERWORKED DEPARTMENT DOES COMING FROM THE BUSINESS WORLD, I KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE IT TAKES TO BUDGET NEARLY $1 BILLION ORGANIZATIONS WITH OVER 9000 W-2'S.

IS THAT RIGHT? SO I UNDERSTAND THE MANPOWER AND THE WORK THAT'S REQUIRED FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT, SO I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

I TOOK ACCOUNTING IN COLLEGE, AND I GOT TO SEE AND THANK YOU.

THANK YOU TO THAT PROFESSOR FOR ACTUALLY GIVING ME A C.

SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT YOU DO.

BUT THE ONE THING IS, AS THIS WAS RELEASED ON THURSDAY, THE THING THAT GIVES ME PAUSE ABOUT OUR DISCUSSION AROUND FUND BALANCES IS.

I THEN LOOK BACK TO LAST YEAR AND WHILE WE HAD A MUCH SMALLER DEFICIT TO TAKE CARE OF.

IN MY OPINION, WE CUT A PROGRAM THAT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

WE CUT THE ELEVATE PROGRAM, WHICH I FELT IN OUR CURRENT STATE OF WANTING TO RAISE MATH ENGLISH SCORES THAT SERVE THOUSANDS OF STUDENTS.

IT WAS LESS THAN $2 MILLION.

AND YET WE HAVE A FUND BALANCE NOW OF OVER $14 MILLION.

SO THAT'S WHAT ALWAYS GIVES ME PAUSE ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUND BALANCES.

THAT'S MONEY THAT WE DIDN'T SPEND LAST YEAR.

AND YET WE ELIMINATED A PROGRAM THAT COST LESS THAN $2 MILLION.

I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M THINKING ABOUT THAT, RIGHT? IS WE CAN'T WE CAN'T WE DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL.

SO THE $14.8 MILLION IS FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

THAT'S NOT FROM FY 23 BUDGET.

SO THE THAT'S FROM 24.

YES, THAT'S FROM THIS YEAR'S BUDGET.

SO ELEVATE WOULD HAVE BEEN A MIX OF 23 AND 24.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT YOU KNOW THERE.

BUT YOU ALSO DON'T KNOW WHAT VACANCIES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

WHEN YOU SPEAK ABOUT THE CAREER FAIR IT'S NOT JUST FOR TEACHERS, IT'S FOR HVAC MECHANICS AND CUSTODIANS AND IAS AND A SUNDRY POSITIONS OVER THE 7300 FTES THAT WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THOSE VACANCIES ARE GOING TO BE.

AND SO YOU'RE RIGHT.

WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF THE CHOICES THAT WE'RE MAKING ARE IT'S THE BEST OF BAD CHOICES.

THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WHENEVER BECAUSE OF HOW OUR BUDGET IS ESTABLISHED, 85% OF IT IS STAFFING AND THE ASSOCIATED COSTS WITH STAFFING. SO WHENEVER YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BUDGET, THERE'S IT'S PEOPLE OR PROGRAMS. SO THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A PROGRAM THAT'S GOING TO GET UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU DON'T GET ALL OF THE FUNDING THAT YOU'VE REQUESTED, THAT'S GOING TO GET LOST.

AND I AND I GUESS I'M JUST EXPLAINING MYSELF THAT THAT'S WHAT GIVES ME PAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT COULDA, SHOULDA, WOULDA, BUT NOT HAVING A CRYSTAL BALL TO LOOK AT WHAT FY 25 IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

IT JUST, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FROM FOLLOWING THE BOARD OF EDUCATION FOR MANY YEARS WE'VE BEEN COOKED KICKING EXPANSION OF THE RISE PROGRAM DOWN THE ROAD FOR HOW MANY YEARS? AGAIN, ANOTHER VERY VALUABLE PROGRAM THAT'S PROVEN ITS WORTH AT THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LEVEL AND WOULD BE VERY VALUABLE AT OUR MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.

AND YET WE'VE HAD TO KICK THAT CAN DOWN THE ROAD FOR HOW MANY YEARS.

SO IT JUST GIVES ME PAUSE WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH THESE, WHEN WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS AROUND FUND BALANCES AND, AND THE DIFFICULTIES OF BEING A NON REVENUE PRODUCING ORGANIZATION, BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY BE AS AGGRESSIVE AS WE CAN WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY.

BUT IT DOES GIVE ME PAUSE THAT WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND I THINK ABOUT WE HAVE THIS FUND BALANCE.

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THANK YOU. IF A I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CONTINUE WHAT YOU WERE SAYING THERE.

I DO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN, LIKE WITH THE FUND BALANCE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, WELL, AGAIN, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW, BUT SO YOU SHOULD HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CUSHION SO YOU DON'T RUN INTO BEING A POOR FIDUCIARY BY HAVING A DEFICIT.

AND THAT JUST CAUSES A OWN CAUSE OF ISSUES.

BUT ALSO I WANTED TO KIND OF POINT OUT, I KNOW THAT ELEVATE WAS AN AMAZING PROGRAM.

I SUPPORTED THAT AS WELL.

BUT ALSO WITH OUR OTHER PROGRAMS WE HAVE, I WANT TO COMMEND OUR STAFF ON THEIR BALANCING AND HOW WE SET UP OUR PROGRAMS DURING THE COVID FUNDING.

A LOT OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE HAD DURING COVID WERE ESSER GRANT FUNDED AND THOSE WERE JUST LIKE SHORT TERM FUNDING.

SO FCPS WAS VERY WISE AND THAT WE SET UP OUR FUNDING PROVISIONS FOR PROGRAMS THAT WERE TEMPORARY, THAT WOULD RECEIVE TEMPORARY FUNDS.

A LOT OF PLACES DIDN'T DO THAT.

IT TOOK TEMPORARY FUNDS AND PUT AND BUILT THEIR FOUNDATION WITH IT.

AND SO THERE ARE SOME PLACES RIGHT NOW THAT ARE SUFFERING SOME CATASTROPHIC ISSUES BECAUSE THEY BUILT THEIR SYSTEMS ON TEMPORARY FUNDING.

WE DIDN'T DO THAT HERE. SO WE DO HAVE PROGRAMS THAT WE LOVE THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FOR REDUCTION.

BUT THEY THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT FOUNDATIONAL.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE THE HOUSE WITH THAT.

SO WHILE EVERY PROGRAM IS PAINFUL BECAUSE THE OTHER THING WE DO HERE IS REALLY WELL PUT TOGETHER AND AND PROVIDES GREAT SERVICE.

WE DIDN'T BUILD A HOUSE WITH CARDS, SO IT'S JUST A POINT TO THAT.

OKAY. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT WE MOVE ON AND WE NOT MOVE ON, THAT WE TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS PART WITH THE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ON, AND WHETHER IT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD TO SPLIT THESE INTO TWO GROUPS.

COULD WE JUST VOTE ON EACH ONE? WE CAN DO WHATEVER THE BOARD MAKES MOTIONS TO DO.

PUBLIC HAVE A CHANCE.

WE HAVE NOT MADE A MOTION YET.

PLEASE DO NOT CALL OUT.

WE HAVE NOT MADE A MOTION YET, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO FOR YOU TO COMMENT ON YET.

OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE FUND BALANCE OF $3.5 MILLION.

SECOND. MR. ROSE AND MR. JAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? THIS IS ONE.

GO AHEAD, MR. BASS.

I WANT TO CONFIRM THAT IF THERE IS ANY ADDITIONAL FUND BALANCE, THAT.

STAFF WILL COME BACK TO THE BOARD WITH THAT UPDATE.

AS I SAID, WE REVIEW IT AFTER EVERY PAYROLL.

SO IF ON THE 12TH THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY BRING IT FORWARD.

MY MY, I MEAN, I I'M LIKELY TO SUPPORT THIS MOTION.

I'LL SAY THAT MY REQUEST WOULD BE BOTH AN UPDATE OF WHAT'S IN THE FUND BALANCE AFTER THE MAY 31ST PAYROLL AND A RECOMMENDATION SO THAT EVEN IF IT WERE A SMALL AMOUNT, THAT STAFF IS NOT COMFORTABLE MOVING INTO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, THAT THE BOARD STILL BE BE UPDATED ABOUT THAT, WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION.

OKAY. SO IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED TO ACCEPT THE 3.5 MILLION AS FUND BALANCE INTO REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

NOW IT'S THE AUDIENCE'S THE PUBLIC'S TURN TO COMMENT JUST ON THAT ON THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT.

PLEASE MOVE TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME.

HI, MY NAME IS THERESA MORAN AND I'M JUST A CITIZEN IN THIS MOMENT.

I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I OBVIOUSLY MISS CLAYBAUGH IS BRILLIANT.

I APPRECIATE THE GROCERY ANALOGY THAT HELPS A LAYMAN LIKE ME THAT IS NOT A BUDGET ANALYST OR KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT BUDGETING.

UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WITH THE FUND BALANCE.

THE ONE COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS THAT I'M HEARING TWO THINGS SIMULTANEOUSLY.

I KEEP HEARING OVER AND OVER THAT EVERY YEAR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A FUND BALANCE TO COVER EMERGENCIES.

AND THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.

WE NEED TO HAVE SOME MONEY IN THE PIGGY BANK IN CASE SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC HAPPENS.

RIGHT? BUT I'M ALSO HEARING OVER AND OVER AGAIN THAT AT THE END OF EVERY YEAR THERE'S MONEY LEFT OVER AND THERE IS A THIS 3.5 MILLION THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.

SO I'M LEFT CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS FUND BALANCE IS APPROPRIATE.

AS A LAYMAN WHO IS NOT AN ACCOUNTING PERSON.

AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO ATTEST TO MISS LIEBERMAN'S NOTION THAT TO SIGN UP FOR A PROGRAM AND THEN HAVE IT ELIMINATED IS A VERY PAINFUL ISSUE

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WE'RE JUST ON THE 3.5 MILLION FUND BALANCE.

SORRY, I WAS SPEAKING.

IT'S NOT. AND I'M.

YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS MOTION.

THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION ON WHAT EFFECTS WE ALREADY HAD ON THE SCHOOLS WITH WITH RAISING CLASS SIZE.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT THE 3.5 MILLION.

WERE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE 3.5 MILLION AND ARE ACCEPTING THAT AS FUND BALANCE? MOVE TO THE MICROPHONE, PLEASE, AND STATE YOUR NAME.

HI. OH, SORRY.

HI. MY NAME IS ALEXIS.

I'M. IT'S MY FIRST TIME DOING THIS, SO TELL ME IF I'M WRONG.

MY DAUGHTER IS IN THE EXPRESSION CLASS FOR MPS, AND.

WITH THE KINDERGARTEN PERFORMANCE THAT THEY HAD THAT THEY.

WE WERE TOLD THAT THEY COULD NOT SUPPORT STAFF IN THE EVENING PERFORMANCES BECAUSE THEY HAD NO FUNDS.

BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY DID HAVE FUNDS.

SO I HAD TO ASSIST MY DAUGHTER IN HER KINDERGARTEN PERFORMANCE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT BECAUSE OF NO FUNDS.

WE'LL HAVE TO GET YOU WITH SOME.

IF YOU WOULD EMAIL THAT TO THE BOARD, WE CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER, BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT ALREADY CAME OUT OF LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND ALL.

AND WE'VE ALREADY MADE ON THE 15TH, WE MADE, OH, ABOUT $42.5 MILLION IN CUTS.

WE HAD ABOUT 6.5 MILLION, 6 MILLION MORE TO DO.

SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO NOW IS CLOSE THAT $6 MILLION GAP AND AND OUR FIRST, SECOND STEP.

I'M SORRY WE ACCEPTED REVENUE FROM THE COUNTY.

OUR SECOND STEP IS TO LOOK AT THESE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

SO IF YOU WOULD EMAIL US AND WE CAN GET YOU AN ANSWER TO WHY THAT WAS OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

SO THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE THREE.

I APOLOGIZE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

LAURA O'NEILL.

ALL OF THIS IS CONNECTED.

MAY 15TH WAS BROUGHT UP BY A HUMBLE COUNCIL MEMBER OR BOARD MEMBER.

AS WELL AS MISS JOHNSON.

THESE ARE JUST SUMMARIES THAT WE'RE SEEING HERE.

WELL, ON MAY 15TH, WE ALSO GOT A SUMMARY OF THE EFFICIENCIES ELIMINATIONS OF PROGRAMMATIC CHANGES.

AND ONE OF THEM, ACTUALLY, TO BE BLUNT, THERE IS NO ITEMIZED BREAKDOWN.

AND MUCH LIKE MISS JOHNSON, WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN ITEMIZED BREAKDOWN OF ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST.

JUST GIVING US A SIMPLE ESTIMATE DOESN'T HELP US AS THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND.

FURTHERMORE, I HEARD MR. ROSE TALKING ABOUT THE EFFECTS THAT ARE OFFERED TO STUDENTS.

WELL, IT AFFECTED A LOT OF STUDENTS.

AND A WHOLE PROGRAM, AS WE'RE SEEING RIGHT HERE ON THE RECOMMENDED REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

WE'RE FAMILIES AND WE'RE PARENTS AND WE HAVE KIDS.

MR. O'NEILL, I'M LETTING YOU HAVE SOME TIME BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE VERY UPSET.

WE ARE JUST ON THIS MOTION FOCUSED ON THE 3.5 MILLION FUND BALANCE.

IT IS ALL CONNECTED, MR. YOHO. ALL OF IT.

AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.

I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT'S UPSET HERE.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE MOTION TO ACCEPT.

AND IT'S JUST ON WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ACCEPT THE 3.5 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE.

COMMON NOUNS. IF IT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT THE MOTION.

IF IT'S VERY QUICK AND ON THE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

SO FIRST OFF, I, I FEAR MY SHIRT MIGHT GIVE ME AWAY.

YOUR NAME, PLEASE.

ROB MEDWAY. I'M IN THIS WORLD, TOO.

THIS IS. I FEEL LIKE I LEFT THE OFFICE AND JUST WENT RIGHT INTO ANOTHER MEETING.

SO MISS CLAYBAUGH, I LIVE THE SAME WORLD AS YOU, SO I HAVE MASSIVE APPRECIATION FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

THE. AND THE TOTALITY OF THE DIFFICULTY OF THIS.

I MEAN, THIS IS RIDICULOUSLY COMPLICATED.

THE QUICK COMMENT I WANT TO MAKE IS I APPLAUD IT'S FREQUENTLY THE CASE WHEN THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM STATEMENT, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO MAKE UP A

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SO I APPLAUD THE CREATIVITY OF LOOKING AT REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

MY COMMENT IS IN THE TWO WEEKS THAT I THINK I HEARD IS STILL LEFT TO KEEP SHARPENING PENCILS ON THIS.

I HOPE THERE'S APPETITE TO EXPLORE SOME FURTHER REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO THEM NOW OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I HOPE THERE'S STILL TIME TO KEEP WORKING ON SOME OF THIS CREATIVITY, BECAUSE THIS IS GOOD STUFF.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. WE WILL GO TO THE VOTE.

A MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE 3.5 FUND BALANCE INTO REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND HE OPPOSED.

OKAY. YOU HAVE THAT, MISS RICH.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE $150,000 PCARD REBATES.

I'LL SECOND. OKAY.

MR. ROSE, MISS JOHNSON, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT MOTION? I DID HAVE A QUESTION.

REBECCA, I KNOW THIS IS A THIS VARIES BY DEPARTMENT, BUT IN GENERAL, DO WE HAVE A TOTALITY ON THE, ON THE AVERAGE LIKE ALLOTMENT TO PE CARDS? IT IT VARIES.

AND WE ALSO HAVE A DECLINING CARD BALANCE CARD AS WELL THAT TEACHERS HAVE WHERE IT'S LIKE A $500 IF THEY'RE A TEACHER WHO PURCHASE A LOT OF MO MOY RATHER, THAT IS TEAM LEADER BECAUSE TEACHERS, I DIDN'T GET ONE.

OH, IT'S A WELL, YOU HAVE TO BE A TEACHER WHO PROBABLY COULD BE LIKE A DEPARTMENT CHAIR OR DEPARTMENT CHAIR, OR YOU HAVE A CLASS THAT HAS A LOT OF CONSUMABLES, LIKE YOU TEACH COOKING CLASSES. SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

BUT NO, IT'S IT'S TYPICALLY NO MORE THAN $5,000.

AND EVEN IF YOU HAVE A $5,000 LIMIT, USUALLY YOUR PURCHASE LIMIT IS MUCH LOWER THAN THAT.

SO YOUR SINGLE PURCHASE LIMIT.

SO DURING THIS FREEZE PERIOD, I'VE BEEN APPROVING EVERYONE'S PE CARD TRANSACTIONS AND INCREASES TO THEIR PE CARDS.

WHICH TYPICALLY IT'S UP TO JUST THE SUPERVISOR.

BUT I'VE BEEN DOING IT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN IN A FREEZE AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S IT'S VERY AND THEY HAVE TO RECONCILE THEIR RECEIPTS IN A, ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

THEY ARE REVIEWED BY THEIR SUPERVISOR IF IT'S GRANT FUNDED.

IT IS ALSO REVIEWED BY THE GRANT DEPARTMENT AND IS ALSO REVIEWED BY PURCHASING.

PLUS WE DO AN AUDIT OF PE CARD TRANSACTIONS EVERY MONTH.

WE DO A SELECT AUDIT.

SO IT'S VERY IT'S THE PROGRAM IS HIGHLY REGULATED AND AND AUDITED MONTHLY.

THANK YOU FOR THAT.

I NEVER HAD A PE CARD EITHER.

MR. J. MR. BASH, YOU OKAY? ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER MISS JOHNSON? YEAH. I JUST ADD TO THAT WE PE CARDS REGULARLY FALL UNDER THE AUDIT OF THE IIR, WHICH I SERVE ON FOR BOTH FREDERICK COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND CPS, AND I DON'T THINK FCC USES PE CARDS.

THEY USE A FEW.

THEY HAVE A VERY THEY HAVE A VERY LIMITED AMOUNT.

I DON'T REMEMBER AUDITING THEM.

RIGHT. AND SO THAT'S THAT'S A GROUP AUDIT OF THE WHAT FCC COUNTY GOVERNMENT F CPS.

IT'S THE INTERNAL IT'S THE INTERAGENCY INTERNAL INTERAGENCY INTERNAL AUDIT AUTHORITY, WHICH BASICALLY OPERATES AS ITS OWN AUDIT ENTITY. AND THE HEAD OF THAT REPORTS TO THE AUDIT AUTHORITY, WHICH IS FOUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, ALL USUALLY ALL CPAS, AND THEN A REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH OF THE THREE MAIN AGENCIES IN THE COUNTY.

AND I WAS SPEAKING TO OUR INTERNAL AUDITS WE HAVE WITHIN PURCHASING, WE DO A MONTHLY INTERNAL AUDIT OF ALL OF OF US, OF SAMPLE OF PICARD.

BUT OUR SAMPLE SIZE IS RATHER LARGE.

VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. MISS JOHNSON IS OUR LIAISON TO THAT COMMITTEE.

ALL RIGHT. SO DOES THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS? JUST ON THE PCARD REBATES, ACCEPTING THAT $150,000.

I AM NOT SEEING ANYONE.

WE WILL GO TO THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THIS MOTION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND THAT IS UNANIMOUS, INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER.

DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER MOTIONS, MR. BASS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE USE OF FACILITIES REVENUES AS LISTED ON THE SLIDE.

I SECOND IT. THANK YOU, MR. BASS AND MISS ALLEN.

AND AGAIN, THE UNDERSTANDING IS ANYONE ON THE PREVAILING SIDE CAN BRING THESE BACK IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IN FUTURE OR WE FIND OTHER REVENUES.

AND WE HAVE THIS IS ABOUT IT FOR REVENUES.

ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THE USE OF FACILITIES, MISTER J.

THANK YOU. FOR THIS ONE.

I JUST WANT TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW WHILE WE TRY TO KEEP COSTS DOWN, WE'RE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE IN SHARED PAIN.

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AND THE GOAL WITH THE BOARD IS JUST BEEN IN THIS TIME FRAME, I BELIEVE I SPEAK FOR THE BOARD IN TERMS OF BEING SHARING THE WEIGHT OF THIS BURDEN FOR OUR FISCAL SITUATION.

OKAY, MR. ROSE.

I WANT, I WANT TO CLARIFY SOMETHING ON A QUESTION THAT I'D ASKED EARLIER, THAT $468,000 DOES NOT INCLUDE THE FEE RENTAL OF OUR STADIUM TURF FIELDS. CORRECT? NO, BECAUSE THE BECAUSE PRIORITY TWO SCHOOLS ALREADY ARE OR EXCUSE ME, PRIORITY TWO GROUPS ARE ALREADY CHARGED A FEE TO USE FOR THAT FACILITY.

SO THEN.

I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT AND ALSO, AGAIN, WANT TO MAKE THE PUBLIC AWARE THAT I WON'T BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION BECAUSE I'D LIKE FOR US TO TAKE THE COMING TWO WEEKS TO TAKE A DEEPER DIVE ON OUR USE OF FACILITY REVENUES.

I BELIEVE THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THERE, SO I'D LIKE TO JUST SEE US TAKE A DEEPER DIVE ON THIS BEFORE WE APPROVE IT.

THANK YOU. MISS ALLEN.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY, WE STILL CAN BRING THIS BACK AND REVISIT IT, CORRECT? OKAY. JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.

THIS. LIEBERMAN I KNOW MY VOTE IS ONLY RECORDED, BUT I'M PROBABLY GOING TO ABSTAIN JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO REACH OUT TO MORE STUDENTS AND SEE HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THIS.

THANK YOU, MISS LIEBERMAN.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENT OR QUESTION BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY, SO DOES ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HAVE A COMMENT ON THE USE OF FACILITIES REVENUES AT THIS AMOUNT, UNDERSTANDING THAT THE BOARD MAY WELL BRING THIS BACK IF THE MOTION EVEN PASSES.

OKAY. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO THE VOTE.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THAT FIGURE ON THE SCREEN, RAISE YOUR HAND.

OOPS. GIVE MISS RICH A CHANCE.

HAVE YOU GOT THAT, MISS RICH? THANK YOU. ANY OPPOSED? AND ANY ABSTENTIONS.

THAT IS MISS LIEBERMAN.

THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT MOTION DOES PASS.

AND SO ONE OF.

THE PEOPLE, THE FIVE OF US THAT VOTED IN FAVOR WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT BACK, OR THE AMOUNT WE DID THAT ONCE WITH MADE IT A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT MOTION BY MAKING INSTEAD OF 300,000 WAS THE ORIGINAL MOTION, AND IT CAME BACK AS A DIFFERENT MOTION WITH $300,001 FOR DYSLEXIA.

SO SOMEONE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENT MOTION.

THAT'S THE WAY WE DID THAT.

ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO INCREASE THE SPORTS FEES TO THAT AMOUNT? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.

INCREASE SPORTS FEES TO THE $582,358.

THANK YOU, MR. BASS.

IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT.

FOR PURPOSES OF DISCUSSION.

SIR. ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT? MR. ROSE, I THINK I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT I'LL BE VOTING NO ON THIS MOTION.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WHEN WE BECAUSE I ASKED FOR THIS INFORMATION ABOUT SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES, CARROLL COUNTY GETS $105 PER SEASON. AND IF YOU HAVE MULTIPLE CHILDREN PLAYING A SPORT, THEY CAP IT AT 150 PER FAMILY.

SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

WASHINGTON COUNTY ONLY COLLECTS $55 PER SEASON.

SO I JUST FEEL LIKE, AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER AREA WE VOTED TWO WEEKS AGO.

I MADE THE MOTION.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE VOTED TO INCREASE SPORTS FEES TO HELP TO ADDRESS THIS SITUATION TO $135.

AT THAT TIME, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS APPROPRIATE.

I DON'T FEEL LIKE 114% INCREASE ON THE BACKS OF OUR FAMILIES AND OUR ATHLETES IS APPROPRIATE.

SO I'LL BE VOTING NO.

MISS JOHNSON. YEAH, I'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT I WILL BE VOTING NO BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY NOT OPPOSED TO RAISING IT EVEN HIGHER.

NO, MR. JAY. SO.

WELL, I DO NOT.

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THOSE COUNTIES ADMISSION MR. ROADS ARE ACTUALLY SMALLER THAN US, AND WE'RE IN THE DISTRICT GROWING AT 10%.

SO AND KNOWING THAT WE HAVE STUDENTS WHO ARE IN NEED WILL RECEIVE WAIVERS FOR THEIR THEIR FEES GIVES ME SOME LEVEL OF YOU KNOW, CALM ABOUT THIS VOTE.

BUT I'M LOOKING TO AGAIN, WE'VE HAD PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN REDUCED.

WE'VE HAD CLASS SIZES INCREASED.

THIS IS A SHARED PAIN.

AND SO FOR THE FOR THIS COST HERE I'M ONLY SUPPORTING BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT MOVING THE NEEDLE FORWARD AND ALL OF US CARRYING THE WEIGHT TOGETHER.

THANK YOU, MR. JAY.

ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD? I MEAN, I'VE TOLD SEVERAL OF YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, RAISING FEES LIKE THIS IS JUST NOT WHERE I AUTOMATICALLY GO.

AND IT KIND OF MAKES ME SICK TO MY STOMACH TO THINK OF CHARGING KIDS THAT MUCH.

I DON'T KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, MY HUSBAND AND I MAKE A DECENT LIVING.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE COULD HAVE AFFORDED IT AT CERTAIN TIMES WHEN OUR KIDS WERE IN HIGH SCHOOL, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO DO AT THIS POINT.

SO I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PROBABLY VOTE FOR IT.

BUT BEFORE NOBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD HAS ANYTHING, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE AUDIENCE TO HEAR.

I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING.

WHEN I, WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS, TOO, AND ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, NO HATE TOWARD OUR STAFF.

THEY ARE SENT TO GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS.

THEY DO THE ABSOLUTE BEST THEY CAN TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US.

IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS A BOARD TO ONE ACCEPT OR DECLINE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND THEN ALSO MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO HOW WE CAN FIND THAT REDUCTION.

SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR THAT STAFF HAS A VERY DIFFICULT JOB, AND THEY BRING US RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE BEST OF THEIR ABILITY TO MEET OUR FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBILITIES.

AND I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT I APPRECIATE THAT REGARDLESS OF HOW I VOTE ON THESE ISSUES.

SO THANK YOU, MR. ROSE. I WOULD SAY NO, HATE TO US EITHER.

IT'D BE BE NICE. MISS LIEBERMAN, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE COMMENT BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.

AND THAT'S A LOT OF THE TIMES I KNOW A LOT OF MY CLASSMATES AND A LOT OF PEOPLE IN SCHOOLS, THEIR PARENTS TELL THEM, IF YOU WANT TO PLAY A SPORT, YOU HAVE TO PAY.

AND WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IT'S ALMOST $800 OVER YOUR HIGH SCHOOL CAREER.

AND STUDENTS WHO HAVE JOBS ARE PROBABLY MAKING MINIMUM WAGE.

SO. THANK YOU.

SO NOW I WILL TURN IT OVER TO THE AUDIENCE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE INCREASED SPORTS FEES AND ACCEPTING THIS AMOUNT AS PART OF THE REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS.

AND AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

YES. GOOD AFTERNOON COACH ISAAC GUSMAN WITH FREDERICK HIGH SCHOOL.

I'VE BEEN A VOLUNTEER COACH THERE FOR GOING ON SIX YEARS NOW.

COACH ROSE, I JUST WANT TO PIGGYBACK OFF OF WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER, SPECIFICALLY THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS, RIGHT? JUST CAN'T AFFORD 140, 114% INCREASE.

$135 IS A LOT.

I COACH KIDS VARSITY LEVEL.

WE CARRY A TEAM OF ABOUT 23 OUT OF THE 23.

I HAVE EIGHT KIDS WHERE THEIR PRIDE OVERSHADOWS THEIR COMMON SENSE.

EVENTUALLY I ASK THEM, DO YOU NEED HELP? DO YOU NEED HELP? COME AND TALK TO ME.

COME AND TALK TO ME AT BREAK.

YOU HAVE MY EMAIL.

YOU HAVE MY PHONE NUMBER.

GIVE ME A CALL. FINALLY THEY CALL.

I TYPICALLY SPONSOR MYSELF OUT OF MY OWN POCKET FOR KIDS FOR FALL FOR THE FALL SOCCER SEASON.

I ALSO RECOMMEND WHEN THEY TALK TO ME TO GO SEE OUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR, COACH HAMMOND, SO THAT SHE CAN, YOU KNOW, FILL OUT THE GET THE INFORMATION TO FILL OUT A WAIVER. IT IS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT, AND IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO TO BE ABLE TO POINT THIS TO TO BE ABLE TO PAY THAT FEE.

MISTER JOHNSON OF $205, THAT'S 114% INCREASE.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT A SHARE IN THE PAIN.

A LOT OF THE KIDS, RIGHT.

THEY WORK BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO.

THEY HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FAMILY.

YOU KNOW, IT ISN'T BECAUSE THEY WANT TO.

IT ISN'T BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET A CAR.

IT'S BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE FAMILY.

I WOULD ASK THAT YOU RECONSIDER YOUR VOTE AND NOT APPROVE THAT THE THE INCREASE FOR THE STUDENT PARTICIPATION FEE.

ALL RIGHT. BY MY NUMBERS.

RIGHT. IF WE KEEP AT $135, IT'S IT'S ONLY A DECREASE OF ABOUT 250,000 FROM THE PROJECTED $582,358.

THAT'S A LOT.

OKAY. THAT'S A YOU KNOW IT'S A LOT TO SAVE RIGHT THERE OKAY.

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RIGHT AFTER THIS, I AM GOING TO FREDERICK HIGH SCHOOL TO PROMOTE AT THE AUDITORIUM WITH ALL THE PARENTS AND ALL THE KIDS, THE FALL ATHLETIC PROGRAMS FOR FREDERICK HIGH SCHOOL.

PLEASE RECONSIDER THAT 114% INCREASE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON INCREASING THE SPORTS FEES TO THAT REVENUE ADJUSTMENT? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARCO BHASKARAN AND I'M IN FAVOR OF INCREASING THE THE SPORTS FEE SIMPLY BECAUSE.

AND I KNOW I'LL PROBABLY GET A LITTLE BIT OF HEAT ON MY COMMENT HERE, BUT I DO KNOW THAT PARENTS WHO WANT THEIR KIDS TO ADVANCE IN A SPECIFIC SPORT AND A SPECIFIC ACTIVITY, THEY SEND THEM TO PRIVATE CLUBS AND PRIVATE SCHOOLS TO ADVANCE IN THOSE ACTIVITIES.

THEY DO NOT DEPEND ON THE SCHOOL TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

SO THE FACT THAT THE SERVICE IS PROVIDED, THE SCHOOL IS PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES IS GREAT, BUT THAT SHOULDN'T BE ON TOP OR ON THE BACKS OF OTHER STUDENTS WHO REQUIRE OTHER PROGRAMS AND OTHER SERVICES THAT ARE BEING CUT JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO INCREASE THE SPORT FEES.

A LITTLE BIT OF 50 BUCKS OR OR A HUNDRED BUCKS.

I ACTUALLY SUPPORT INCREASING THE SPORTS FEES A LOT MORE THAN THAT, BECAUSE WE ALL KNOW PARENTS OUT THERE DO SEND THEIR KIDS AND PAY A LOT MORE MONEY TO PRIVATE CLUBS AND PRIVATE PRIVATE SCHOOLS TO GET A MUCH BETTER EXERCISE AND ACTIVITIES THAN WHAT THE SCHOOL WILL EVER BE ABLE TO OFFER TO THEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

HOLD ON, MR. JAY. IT'S THE AUDIENCE'S TURN IF ANYONE ELSE HAS OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. LOOKING LIKE NO ONE ELSE.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING NOW, MR. JAY? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

AND SO WITH AGAIN, SHARING THE PAIN, I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT IN ORDER.

I KNOW SOME BOARD MEMBER, MEMBERS JOHNSON AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS HAVE SPOKEN TO.

WANT TO SEE IT EVEN HIGHER.

THE CONCERN IS ABOUT BEING IT'S MUCH, MUCH POSSIBLE TO SHARE THE PAIN.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE.

IT'S COSTLY AND WHETHER WE HAVE WAIVERS IS A GREAT THING.

SO WE HAVE STUDENTS WHO I WOULD ENDEAR OUR OUR STAFF TO ENCOURAGE OUR STUDENTS TO YOU KNOW, FIND WAYS TO GET THEM TO SHARE.

COACHES AND STUDENTS HAVE HAVE A GREAT RELATIONSHIPS.

AND SO YOU CAN GET YOUR STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, YOUR KIDS, YOU CAN GET THEM TO SHARE OUT AND, YOU KNOW, MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE AND GET THOSE WAIVERS FOR STUDENTS WHO CAN'T AFFORD IT.

BUT IT'S JUST ABOUT SHARING PAIN.

SO I WOULD WANT TO SEE IT GO ANY HIGHER THAN THIS.

SO I ALSO SEE THAT HERE.

THERE'S LOOK FOR AS I'M ASKING STAFF TO LOOK FOR ACTUALLY STAFF BY JUNE 12TH, FIND OTHER FEES I MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT MATERIALS, SUPPLIES LIKE TEXTBOOKS AND KIND OF THINGS TO KIND OF BRING THOSE COSTS DOWN.

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THIS EITHER COME DOWN OR STAY HERE, BUT I WANT TO SEE IT GO ANY HIGHER IF THIS MOTION PASSES.

AND THANK YOU, MR. JAY.

AND JUST A REMINDER AND INFORMATION TO THE AUDIENCE, AS MR. ROSE VERY VEHEMENTLY STATED, WE ARE NOT A REVENUE.

YOU KNOW, WE DON'T TAX.

WE CAN'T. THIS IS IT.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE HAVE FOR REVENUE.

WE ARE GOING TO GET TO CUTTING EXPENDITURES.

THAT'S WHERE THERE'S A LOT MORE OPTIONS.

BUT A LOT OF THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN TAKEN.

AND MISS CLAYBAUGH, CAN YOU REMIND US WHEN IT WENT TO 100 AND WHEN WE WENT FROM 95 TO 135, DO YOU HAVE THAT NUMBER OF WHAT THAT INCREASE WOULD BE AND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THIS IS? SO THE INCREASE FOR THAT, THIS IS TO GO FROM 135 TO 205.

THAT IS WHAT THIS INCREASE IS.

WE ALREADY APPROVED THE INCREASE FROM 95 TO 135.

SO THIS IS ONLY THE 135.

THIS IS THE INCREMENTAL INCREASE FROM 135 TO 205.

THANK YOU. SO IF WE KEPT IT AT THE 135, WE'D BE CUTTING 582,000 OUT OF THE REVENUE STREAM.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT.

OKAY. I'M SORRY.

I THOUGHT WE WERE I'M GOING TO BEND A LITTLE.

RULES. THIS, AGAIN IS ON THE 582,000.

OKAY. PLEASE STEP TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME.

MY NAME IS JESSICA BOWMAN.

I'M JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN THE THE MUSIC FEES

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BUT THIS ISN'T CORE INSTRUCTION, EITHER.

THIS IS EXTRACURRICULAR.

AND IF WE'RE SHARING THE PAIN, AS YOU SAY, THIS AGAIN, IS EXTRACURRICULAR.

AND AS MARCO SAID, A LOT OF THESE FOLKS DO PRIVATE CLUBS AND PAY A LOT MORE MONEY TO DO PRIVATE, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TRANSPORTATION.

THEY FIND A WAY. THEY DO CARPOOLS, THEY FIND A WAY.

AND THIS IS THIS IS ABOUT EDUCATION.

WE'RE HERE AT THE BOARD OF EDUCATION.

SO I REALLY JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AND MAKE YOU ALL KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE BOARD, MR. ROSE? I DON'T WANT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE.

HOWEVER, I AM, I AM, I AM CERTAIN, I AM CERTAIN THERE WILL BE FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO WILL NOT RUN TRACK.

THERE WILL BE BASKETBALL PLAYERS WHO DO NOT RUN TRACK.

THERE WILL BE FOOTBALL PLAYERS WHO DO NOT WRESTLE.

THERE WILL BE GIRLS VOLLEYBALL PLAYERS WHO DO NOT PLAY GIRLS BASKETBALL.

BECAUSE OF THIS INCREASE, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE THINKING BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S THE VISUAL.

BUT LET ME ASSURE YOU, FROM 14 YEARS OF COACHING AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, THE VAST MAJORITY OF PLAYERS DO NOT DO NOT SPEND EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE OFF SEASON.

I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE THAT A THIRD OF MY PLAYERS PLAYED AAU BASKETBALL.

THE MAJORITY OF THOSE PLAYED FOR A FREE SPONSORED AAU PROGRAM.

MANY OF THE TIMES YOU HEAR THESE KIDS PLAYING, I CAN SPEAK FROM EXPERIENCE OF THIS PAYING EXORBITANT FEES FOR TRAVEL, BASEBALL, TRAVEL, BASKETBALL.

THEY'RE OFTEN AT THE LOWER LEVELS.

THEY'RE AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.

ONCE THEY GET TO THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL.

OFTEN WE'VE SEPARATED THOSE.

YOU GOT TO REMEMBER 1%, 1% GO ON TO PLAY ANY DIVISION ONE SPORT.

SO BY THE TIME THEY GET TO HIGH SCHOOL, WE'VE SEPARATE OUT A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF KIDS THAT GO ON TO PLAY ANY TYPE OF WHAT YOU MIGHT CONSIDER HIGH COST OUTSIDE OF SEASON.

THAT'S NOT TO SAY IT DOESN'T HAPPEN, BUT WHEN YOU CONSIDER WE'RE IN A COUNTY WHERE A THIRD OF OUR KIDS ARE FREE AND REDUCED MEAL AND 36% ARE FROM ALICE HOUSEHOLDS, I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO PUT IT ON THE BACKS OF SAYING, WELL, LET'S JUST RAISE IT BECAUSE ALL THESE KIDS SPEND HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS IN THE OFF SEASON BECAUSE THAT'S NOT TRUE.

THAT'S NOT FACTUALLY TRUE.

SO WHAT I WILL SAY, AND I HATE I'M NOT CUTTING MY NOSE OFF TO SPITE MY FACE BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED THIS REVENUE.

BUT WHAT I WILL DO, BECAUSE I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH A PARENT AT GRADUATION LAST WEEK AND THEY SAID.

I'LL BE DARNED.

I'LL BE DARNED IF I'M GOING TO TAKE THE CHARITY.

I GET A THIRD JOB TO PAY MY SON'S THIRD SPORT.

SO KUDOS TO THEM.

BUT WHAT I'LL SAY IS SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE.

APPLY FOR THE WAIVER.

IT'S NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT IT.

YOU GO THROUGH YOUR HEAD, COACH.

YOU GO THROUGH YOUR ATHLETIC DIRECTOR.

I IMPLORE YOU.

WE NEED YOUR KIDS PLAYING ATHLETICS.

KIDS WHO PLAY ALL OTHER ALL EXTRACURRICULARS, ALL THEATER, ART, SPORTS DO BETTER IN THE CLASSROOM.

MANY OF THESE KIDS ONLY EXCEL IN THE CLASSROOM TO WHATEVER LEVEL THEY EXCEL.

THEY ONLY DO THAT BECAUSE OF THEIR PARTICIPATION IN EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES OF ANY KIND.

SO I IMPLORE OUR STUDENTS.

SO I EMPLOY OUR PARENTS.

SWALLOW YOUR PRIDE.

APPLY FOR THE WAIVERS.

MAKE SURE YOUR KIDS ARE BUSY.

I MADE SURE MY KID WAS REQUIRED TO PLAY A SPORT EVERY SEASON OR GET A JOB.

SO BECAUSE YOU GOT TO KEEP THEM BUSY.

BUT IT'S SHOWN THAT THAT TEAMWORK AND THAT CAMARADERIE LEADS TO BETTER SUCCESS IN THE CLASSROOM.

AND THAT'S A FACT.

MR. BASS, GO BE AN EXAMPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

I, I THINK I'LL SPEAK TO MY MOTION BRIEFLY.

YOU KNOW, WHILE NONE OF US HAVE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT INCREASING SPORTS FEES, I THINK IN THIS VERY DIFFICULT BUDGET, IT'S NECESSARY. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE.

WE HAVE MANY, MANY FOLKS.

WE HAVE MANY FOLKS HERE FROM OUR REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM WHO HAVE.

SEEING THE PROGRAM THEY RELY ON.

GUTTED FROM THE BUDGET TWO WEEKS AGO.

AND SO I THINK THAT.

I THINK MR. JAY HAS FRAMED THIS WELL AROUND SHARED PAIN, AND I THINK NONE OF US HAVE TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT INCREASING SPORTS FEES, BUT I THINK THAT IT IS A NECESSARY

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THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE VOTE.

NOW. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF INCREASING SPORTS FEES OF THIS WOULD GO FROM 135 TO 205 TO CREATE $582,358 IN REVENUE ADJUSTMENT.

PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

THANK YOU.

SO AUDIENCE, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT WE ENDED UP PASSING ALL THOSE, BUT SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO TAKE THINGS IN PIECES THAT PEOPLE CAN ACCEPT THEM.

AND WE HAD DIFFERENT VOTES ON DIFFERENT MOTIONS.

SO MRS. CLAYBAUGH.

SO WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE EXPENSE SIDE OF OUR BUDGET.

AND THESE WERE ITEMS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN THE BOARD REQUESTED BUDGET.

SO ONE OF THE ITEMS IS AS PART OF THE IIR, WE HAD HAD A RECOMMENDATION TO UPGRADE OUR HARDWARE ASSET MANAGEMENT MODULE AND MODEL RATHER.

AND WE THIS WAS WE HAD PUT THAT IN THE BUDGET.

WE ARE GOING TO LOOK IN OUR EXISTING DTI BUDGET TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO INCREMENTALLY.

WE HAD SOME OPERATIONS COSTS THAT WERE INFLATIONARY COSTS FOR OUR, FOR OUR PUBLIC AFFAIRS DIVISION, THE ONLINE IEP SYSTEM.

WE WERE ABLE TO IDENTIFY A GRANT FUNDS SO THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO IMPLEMENT THIS IN FY 25 USING THE GRANT FUNDS.

WE HAD TO MOVE SOME THINGS AROUND TO MAKE IT WORK.

PLEASE KNOW THAT YOU WILL PROBABLY SEE THIS AS PART OF YOUR FY 26 BUDGET REQUEST, BECAUSE IT IS A ONE YEAR ITEM.

WE ALSO REVIEWED OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, INFLATIONARY COSTS AS WELL AS OUR TRANSPORTATION INFLATIONARY COST, AND DETERMINED THAT WE COULD MAKE SOME REDUCTIONS. BUT THERE ARE CONCERNS BY MAKING THESE INFLATIONARY REDUCTIONS, THAT WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SAME LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE DO THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, THROUGHOUT OUR 70 SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO THAT WOULD BRING THIS TOTAL TOTAL REDUCTION FROM THE FY 25 NEW REQUEST TO A REDUCTION OF $832,186.

AND SO WE WERE.

WE ALSO MADE SOME ELIMINATIONS IN OUR FY 24 BUDGET.

WE OFFER LUNCH MONITORS.

IT'S A PART TIME NON BENEFITED POSITION AT OUR ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVELS.

WE REVIEWED THE BUDGETS.

SO WE ARE NOT ELIMINATING THOSE LUNCH MONITORS.

BUT BASED UPON THE USE THAT WE'VE HAD FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS, WE FELT LIKE WE PROBABLY HAD A LITTLE TOO MUCH MONEY IN THE BUDGET.

SO THIS WOULD BE REDUCING THE BUDGET SO WE WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO HAVE THE LUNCH MONITORS AVAILABLE AT THE ELEMENTARY AND MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL.

WE HAVE A RECLASSIFICATION POOL WITHIN OUR BUDGET, SO WE REVIEW.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REVIEWING ALL OF OUR SUPPORT POSITIONS, AS WELL AS OUR AMT POSITIONS, TO DETERMINE IF THEIR CLASSIFICATIONS ARE CORRECT IN REGARDS TO SALARY IN REGARDS TO THEIR DUTIES.

WE HAVE NOT DONE THAT IN OVER A DECADE AND DUTIES HAVE CHANGED.

AND SO THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE'VE UNDERWAY.

WE HAVE A POOL OF FUNDS THAT ARE USED TO MAKE THOSE ADJUSTMENTS.

WE ARE SEEKING TO REDUCE OUR POOL.

AND THEN WE HAD A RETIREMENT IN OUR CURRICULUM AREA.

WE YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT ON THE 15TH WE ELIMINATED A CURRICULUM SPECIALIST.

THIS IS A SECOND CURRICULUM SPECIALIST FROM THE CENTRAL OFFICE THAT WE'RE SEEKING TO ELIMINATE.

AND THAT WOULD BE A TOTAL REDUCTION OF $442,000 AND SO ON.

THESE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE EXPENSE REDUCTIONS, WE'RE SEEKING APPROVAL.

MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? WE'LL GET TO THE QUESTIONS FOR SURE.

I'LL SECOND SO WE CAN START TALKING ABOUT IT.

OKAY, SO MR. JAY AND MISS JOHNSON MOTION AND SECOND QUESTIONS.

I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.

SO FOR THE HARDWARE ASSET MANAGEMENT MODEL OKAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NETWORK SYSTEM HERE AT CENTRAL OFFICES.

IT'S IT'S AN ASSET.

IT'S FOR ALL OF OUR ASSETS FOR OUR COMPUTER ASSETS.

IT'S THE TRACKING. SO FOR THE 50,000 CHROMEBOOKS THAT WE HAVE THE LAPTOPS, EVERY COMPUTER THAT IS IN FCPS.

YES IT IS A TRACKING.

IT'S AN UPGRADE TO THAT SYSTEM OKAY.

SO IT ALREADY EXISTS.

IT WAS SOME TRACKING BUT IT IS IT.

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OKAY. SO ARE YOU LOOKING AT OTHER PROGRAMS INSTEAD OF THIS PARTICULAR ONE? THAT WAS IT'S MORE OF AN INCREMENTAL IMPLEMENTATION AS OPPOSED TO IMPLEMENTING IT ALL AT ONE TIME.

GOT IT. OKAY.

WE FOR YOUR INFORMATION, WE DO TRACK ALL OF OUR ASSETS.

THEY ALL HAVE. IF I PICK THIS UP YOU'D SEE A TAG ON IT.

BUT THIS IS AS OUR ASSETS HAVE GROWN DUE TO THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS, DUE TO THE NUMBER OF STAFF, WE JUST IT NEEDS TO BE MORE INTEGRATED INTO OUR SYSTEMS. I GET IT, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

I JUST WANTED TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE ARE TRACKING EVERYTHING.

SO I DO HAVE A QUESTION.

JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, ARE YOU ALLOWED TO DEPRECIATE? YEAH. SO WE'RE A GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATION.

SO FOR OUR ANNUAL COMPREHENSIVE FINANCIAL REPORT, WHEN WE GET TO THE GOVERNMENTAL, WHEN WE GET TO THOSE STATEMENTS, IT DOES SHOW.

SO WE DO HAVE IT AS A BUT IT IS NOT AN EXPENSE IN THE TRADITIONAL SENSE OF A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.

WE GOT SOME AIR TALK THERE GOING ON.

SO YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS.

OKAY. FOR REDUCING THE LUNCH MONITOR BUDGET.

I DID SEE IN THE FIND OUT FIRST FOR POSITIONS THAT ARE OPEN THAT THERE STILL ARE POSITIONS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FILL.

FOR THOSE. HAVE WE CONSIDERED USING VOLUNTEERS? ARE THERE PARENTS WHO DO VOLUNTEER TO DO THAT? I DO KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE VOLUNTEERS THROUGHOUT THE ORGANIZATION THAT SERVE LOTS OF DIFFERENT PARTS THROUGHOUT THE SCHOOL READERS, LUNCH MONITORS, LIBRARY ASSISTANTS. BUT THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE FELT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A DAILY.

AND WHAT THE SCHOOLS DO IS BASED UPON THEIR TIERS.

THEY RECEIVED AN HOURLY ALLOTMENT.

SO BASED UPON THE TIER AND THE ENROLLMENT SIZE OF THE, THEY RECEIVE AN HOURLY ALLOTMENT.

IT IS A AS I SAID IT'S A NON BENEFITED POSITION.

SO IT IS SIMPLY JUST AN HOURLY.

AND DEPENDING UPON THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL IT COULD BE 3 TO 6 HOURS.

AND USUALLY WHEN WE SAY SIX HOURS IT'S YOU GET TWO LUNCH MONITORS.

SO YOU HAVE TWO THREE HOUR BLOCKS.

OKAY. ONE MORE FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT.

SO FOR THOSE TIERED SCHOOLS THAT WOULD FALL UNDER THE RESTRICTED BUDGET CORRECT.

NO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE TIER STAFFING MODEL IS JUST A WAY THAT WE ESTABLISH THE TIERS FOR OUR SCHOOLS BASED UPON THEIR VARIOUS COMPLEXITY FACTORS, INCLUDING FARM, IEP, NUMBER OF IEPS AND 500 AND FOURS WITHIN THE SCHOOL, THE NUMBER OF MULTILINGUAL LEARNERS THE NUMBER OF HOMELESS STUDENTS, AND THE MOBILITY OF THE STUDENT POPULATION.

AND WE USE THAT THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR STAFFING FORMULAS TO ESTABLISH THE SUPPORTS THAT ARE OFFERED AT THE SCHOOLS.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.

YEAH. SOMEBODY WHO DID OFFICIALLY FIRST GRADE LUNCH DUTY FOR THREE YEARS.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE BODIES THAT YOU CAN COUNT ON.

THEN WHEN MY GRANDDAUGHTER WAS IN KINDERGARTEN AND I WAS ABLE TO VOLUNTEER, I WENT IN AND HELPED EXTRA.

BUT YOU HAVE TO, I MEAN, JUST LEGALLY TO HAVE IT COVERED.

AND IT'S BETTER TO HAVE CONSISTENCY BECAUSE YOU GET TO KNOW THE KIDS AND ALL.

MISS GALLAGHER. FOR THE CURRICULUM SPECIALIST, THAT IS AN EMPLOYEE WHO IS RETIRING.

AND SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO FILL THAT POSITION.

WE'RE ACTUALLY ELIMINATING THE POSITION.

IT'S NOT JUST SIMPLY BEING NOT BUT WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING A PERSON.

CORRECT. INDIVIDUAL IS RETIRING.

AND SO HOW WILL THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THAT CURRICULUM SPECIALIST BE HANDLED MOVING FORWARD? IF WE'RE ELIMINATING THE POSITION? I BELIEVE WHAT THEY'RE DOING CURRENTLY IS LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CURRICULUM SPECIALISTS AND SEEING IF THERE ARE ITEMS THAT CAN BE PAIRED TOGETHER.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE WAS ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY PE AND HEALTH.

SO NOW THERE WILL BE ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY PE AND HEALTH IN ONE PERSON.

AND THEY'VE PAIRED SOME SOCIAL STUDIES AND SCIENCE CURRICULUMS TOGETHER AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL AS WELL.

MR. JAY. OH. THANK YOU.

SO. I GUESS.

FIRST COMMENT TO THE LUNCH MONITOR.

I SAID A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION.

SO I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF VITAL.

I THINK VOLUNTEERS WOULD HELP IF PEOPLE WHO WERE REDUCING, WE HAD VOLUNTEERS TO THAT, AND THAT COULD BE HELPFUL.

BUT THOSE ARE IMPACTFUL.

AND JUST WHILE WE'RE HAVING THIS MUCH MENTION OF LUNCH MONITORS WE HAD A PARENT WRITE IN AND ASKED ABOUT HAVING THE KIDS REMAIN SOCIAL.

I KNOW WE HAVE SOME SCHOOLS WHO KIND OF DEMAND ABSOLUTE SILENCE ON LUNCH TIME.

THAT IS SOMETHING WE PROBABLY HAVE THEM HAVE A LEVEL OF, OR WE'RE HERE.

THAT'S WHY I WAS MENTIONING IT. SO I DO WANT TO SHARE TO THAT PARENT THAT I DO AGREE THAT IT SHOULD HAVE SOME LEVEL OF CONVERSING DURING LUNCH, AT LUNCH TIMES TO OUR MONITORS OUT THERE, ALLOW THEM SOME LEVEL OF, YOU KNOW, THE DISCOURSE DURING LUNCH.

IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THERE BE A LIBRARY AT LUNCH TIME.

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DO WE HAVE INFLATIONARY COSTS AND OTHER OTHER VENUES LIKE LIKE MAYBE LIKE IN I DON'T KNOW, I'M ASKING BEFORE I'M GONNA ASK IT AGAIN.

AND CAPITAL FUNDING IS THERE LIKE INFLATIONARY COSTS.

THEY, THEY COULD LIKE SEND OVER I KNOW SOMETIMES WE SEND THINGS OVER YOU KNOW.

SO ACTUALLY AS PART OF IMPACT FEES THROUGH THE CAPITAL BUDGET, THEY DO SUPPORT THE PURCHASE OF ADDITIONAL BUSSES.

RIGHT. BUT CAPITAL FUNDING CANNOT BE USED FOR THE THINGS LIKE THIS.

THIS INCLUDES BECAUSE IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND, AFTER 12 YEARS, YOUR BUSSES HAVE TO BE INSPECTED, HAVE ADDITIONAL INSPECTIONS IN YEARS 13, 14 AND 15 AS WELL AS YOU CAN NO LONGER MAKE THOSE REPAIRS INSIDE.

BY OUR MECHANICS, THEY ALL NEED TO BE OUT.

THEY ALL NEED TO BE CONTRACTED OUT.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'VE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN THIS YEAR, AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT FOR NEXT YEAR AS WELL.

BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH AN AGING BUS FLEET, DID WE PAUSE ON ON THE INNOVATIONS IN THOSE AREAS, LIKE BUYING DIFFERENT KIND OF VEHICLES THAT COULD NEED LIKE ADDITIONAL. SO WE HAVE WE'VE ONLY PURCHASED A FEW, I THINK TWO ELECTRIC BUSSES AND THERE'S REALLY NOT THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO.

AND THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DID IT IS BECAUSE THERE WAS A GRANT PROGRAM THAT BASICALLY ALLOWED US TO PURCHASE AN ELECTRIC BUS, WHICH IS FOUR TIMES THE COST OF A STANDARD BUS, RIGHT, FOR THE COST OF A STANDARD BUS.

AND IT ALSO ALLOWED US TO PUT SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AT OUR AT OUR GARAGE FOR CHARGING.

SO DO WE. SO THE GRANT COVERED THAT AS WELL.

YES, YES. OKAY, OKAY.

BUT THAT COULD ACTUALLY WIND UP BEING SINCE IT WAS A GRANT, IT COULD ACTUALLY COST SAVINGS DOWN THE ROAD USING THAT VEHICLE COULD HAVE COST SAVINGS ON THE ROAD IF THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL. OKAY.

OH. STILL BEING TESTED. OKAY.

SO I'M TRYING TO THINK THIS IS A GREAT FIND.

I JUST WANT TO PUT OUT THERE, LIKE, IF WE CAN FIND PLACES LIKE.

I CAN. I'LL THINK OF SOMETHING NOW.

BUT LIKE ANYTHING WE HAVE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO LIKE THAT INFLATIONARY COST, LIKE WE CAN REDUCE.

THAT'D BE SOMETHING WE'RE HOLDING ON TO BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING, ANYTHING MORE WE CAN REDUCE IN THAT FACET IS WONDERFUL.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DOING THAT, LIKE WITH PLUMBING OR MAYBE LIKE WITH.

SO SO WE HAVE AND OUR, OUR CONCERN REALLY ISN'T WE, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF, OUR, OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE STAFF IS VERY EFFICIENT AND THEY ARE PRICE CONSCIOUS WHEN THEY'RE PURCHASING ITEMS. THIS ESSENTIALLY WILL LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO DO THINGS.

ACTUALLY, I TAKE THAT BACK FOR PLUMBING BECAUSE OUR, OUR MAINTENANCE AND AND UPKEEP TEAM, THEY DO THAT WHOLE WORK TO WORK TO FAIL AND MONITORING OF OUR DEVICES. AND THEY AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY NATIONALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE NATIONAL HEROES WITH THAT.

SO IT'S NOT THAT DEPARTMENT.

THEY'RE DOING AWESOME. THEY'VE ALWAYS SAVED US MONEY.

SO KUDOS TO THEM.

I MEAN, JUST IN GENERAL THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WE CAN LOOK FOR INFLATIONARY.

WELL, I WILL TELL YOU, AS DOCTOR DYSON SAID AFTER THE 15TH MEETING, WE SAT AND AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE APRIL, WELL BEFORE APRIL, WHEN WE KNEW THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO GET CLOSE WHERE EVERY DEPARTMENT HAS GONE BACK AND LOOKED.

TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S ANY POSSIBILITY OF SAVINGS TO THAT END.

I KNOW YOU MENTIONED ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS.

DID WE HAVE SO CLARIFICATION ON THE EMAIL WE RECEIVED ABOUT THE TEXTBOOK PURCHASES? THAT THAT SAVINGS WE REALIZED, WAS THAT ALREADY IN THE BUDGET OR WAS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE THAT CAME ABOUT FROM OUR LAST QUESTIONINGS? NO, THE SAVINGS THAT WE HAD LAST ON THE 15TH, THE 500,000? NO, THE 930.

THE 940.

YEAH. 40. YEAH. THERE WAS A REDUCTION.

WE WERE ABLE TO USE GRANT FUNDING FOR THAT.

OKAY. SO IT WASN'T A REALIZED SAVINGS.

IT WAS JUST A GRANT. CORRECT.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MISS JOHNSON.

THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AND ITEMS HERE FOR US TO REVIEW.

GOING BACK TO THE CURRICULUM SPECIALIST, HOW MANY DO WE ACTUALLY EMPLOY IN THE SYSTEM? ROUGHLY. ONE FOR EVERY CURRICULAR AREA, TWO FOR A SECONDARY AND ELEMENTARY.

A SECOND. I'M GOING TO LOOK AT OUR REPORT REAL QUICK FOR YOU.

I SEE DOCTOR CUPPETT COUNTING ON HIS FINGERS BACK THERE, SO.

YEAH. ACCORDING TO OUR POSITION CONTROL REPORT, WE HAVE.

OOPS. WE HAVE 13, WE'VE AND WE HAVE A REDUCED BY TWO.

SO WE WILL NOW HAVE 11 IN FISCAL YEAR 25.

I THANK YOU FOR THAT.

RELATED TO A POTENTIAL.

COSTS AND COST SAVINGS.

AGAIN, THIS IS MORE OF MY LINE OF QUESTIONING.

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STOP BY, YOU KNOW, AND REFRESHING BOOKS FOR LIBRARIES.

SO CURRENTLY, THE WAY OUR I MEAN, WE CERTAINLY COULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION CURRENTLY THE WAY THAT OUR LIBRARY RESOURCES ARE, ARE DISTRIBUTED AMONGST SCHOOLS IS THROUGH OUR SCHOOL BASED ALLOCATION STAFFING FORM FORMULA, WHICH IS BASED UPON THE ENROLLMENT OF STUDENTS.

SO THERE'S A ALLOCATION THAT IS THERE.

WE CAN LOOK AT IT.

I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE ITEMS, AND I AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE KEEPING THIS IN MIND AND, AND WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTENTIONALLY CENTRALLY, NOT FOR THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE OF THE NEED TO MEET THE 75% REQUIREMENT IN THE BLUEPRINT FOR MARYLAND'S FUTURE.

SO WE JUST WE'RE VERY COGNIZANT OF HOW THINGS ARE ALLOCATED DIRECTLY TO THE SCHOOLS AND GIVING THE SCHOOLS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND THE WAY THAT THEY NEED, OR THEY FEEL THAT THEY NEED TO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE THE CURRICULAR MATERIALS AVAILABLE FOR THEIR STUDENTS.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT EXPENDITURES ON LIBRARIES IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD HAVE A SAY IN? I'M NOT CERTAINLY NOT SAYING THAT.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT THAT IS THAT'S WHEN WE'RE CONSIDERING REDUCTIONS.

WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT THERE WE AND I KNOW THAT THE BOARD HAS BEEN FOCUSED ON THIS, IS THAT IT'S NOT AT A SCHOOL LEVEL, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FOCUS ON THE CENTRAL LEVEL.

AND I HAVE CONCERN BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF THE SCHOOL BASED FOUNDATION BUDGET THAT THE SCHOOLS DIRECTLY CONTROL.

BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK AT THE ALLOCATION AND REDUCE THE THE PER PUPIL ALLOCATION.

YEAH. I WOULD LIKE US TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO FOR THAT.

AGAIN, THIS IS A ONE POTENTIALLY ONE TIME YOU KNOW, GIVE A PAUSE OR REDUCE OUR EXPENDITURE IN THAT AREA.

AND THEN I KNOW, YOU KNOW, DOCTOR COOPER, YOU'RE IN THE BACK.

AND I KNOW WE HAVE A LOT OF MATERIALS OF INSTRUCTION, IS THERE? I KNOW LAST YEAR I THINK YOU RESTRUCTURED A CONTRACT TO CHANGE THE PAY SCHEDULE.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU CAN PULL OUT FOR THIS YEAR? BUT I THINK THE ONE OF THE THINGS TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHEN IT'S A ONE TIME REDUCTION.

SO UNLESS YOU'RE PLANNING FOR IT TO BE RECURRING MOVING FORWARD IN YOUR 26 BUDGET, YOU WILL SEE THAT COMING BACK.

SO IF WE MAKE WHEN WE MAKE ONE TIME ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU'LL YOU WILL SEE IT AS AN EXPENDITURE OR AN INCREASED EXPENSE IN THE CURRENT FUTURE YEARS.

RIGHT. AND I ASKED SOME OF THIS LINE OF QUESTIONING FOR SOME BREATHING ROOM FOR SOMETHING THAT WILL BE COMING UP WITH RESPECT TO THE 75% FUNDING FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS.

MISS SALLY. I CONCUR WITH MISS JOHNSON'S REQUEST TO TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE BUDGETS.

I HAD ASKED SOME QUESTIONS VIA EMAIL AND WOULD JUST LIKE TO SHARE, YOU KNOW FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THE QUESTION THAT I ASKED WAS, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS THE BUDGET FOR TEXTBOOKS AND INSTRUCTIONAL SUPPLIES? AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT THERE IS A NUMBER THAT IS APPLIED FROM 24 THAT IS ALSO THAT'S THE EXPENDITURE THAT'S BEING USED FOR 25.

IS THAT CORRECT? THE 21 MILLION FOR.

YES. THAT'S FOR OUR CATEGORY OH FOUR.

RIGHT. CATEGORY OH FOUR.

SO THAT INCLUDES NOT JUST TEXTBOOKS, BUT IT INCLUDES ALL THE SOFTWARE LICENSING AND ALL THE CHROME.

IT'S OUR CHROMEBOOK REPLACEMENTS, YOUR YOUR TEXTBOOKS.

IT'S YOUR MATERIALS OF INSTRUCTION.

SO ANY MATERIALS OF INSTRUCTION THAT A CLASSROOM HAS, INCLUDING ANY CONSUMABLES THAT ARE USED THROUGHOUT THE.

AND SO THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT INCLUDES.

OKAY. AND I ALSO DID TALK SPECIFICALLY OR ASK SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TEXTBOOK REPLACEMENT CYCLE.

WHAT THAT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE THE BUDGET FOR THAT WAS ABOUT 4.2 MILLION.

CORRECT. BUT THAT IS PART OF THAT 21 MILLION.

CORRECT. YOU'RE SPEAKING TO.

OKAY. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT FOR.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT THAT BUDGET AND LOOK TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY FURTHER REDUCTIONS THAT WE CAN DO.

I RECOGNIZE THAT THE 940,000 THAT I HAD ASKED ABOUT HAD ALREADY BEEN REMOVED, BASICALLY BECAUSE WE HAD A GRANT THAT COVERED THOSE MATERIALS. BUT LIKE MINDED WITH MISS JOHNSON, I SEE THAT THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO FREEZE PURCHASING FOR A PERIOD OF A YEAR TO REALIZE SOME SAVINGS IN THOSE IN THOSE CATEGORIES.

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THANK YOU, I SUPPORT THAT.

PREVIOUS LINE OF QUESTIONING FROM SALIMAN MISS JOHNSON.

I ALSO WANTED TO ASK THIS CAME TO MY MIND THINKING ABOUT WHERE WE CAN FIND THINGS.

THE WAREHOUSE WE HAVE THERE IN SURPLUS THERE.

DO WE HAVE ANY? MAYBE A SCHOOL CLOSED? DO WE HAVE COUCHES THERE OR OLD? OLD COMPUTERS? ANYTHING LIKE.

SO WE DO RECEIVE OUR SURPLUS AT THE WAREHOUSE AND WE DO IF IT'S NOT USABLE, WE DO SELL IT ON GOV DEALS FOR PENNIES.

LITERALLY PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, WE SELL OUR OLD BUSSES AND THEY USUALLY GET PICKED UP BY FOLKS IN THE SOUTH.

AND YOU KNOW, FOR IT TO BE USED ON ORCHARDS AND SUCH, AND THEY BUY THEM FOR LITERALLY PENNIES ON THE DOLLARS BECAUSE WE CAN'T USE THEM HERE.

WE ALSO LOOK TO RECYCLE WHEN WE HAVE METAL.

WE DO RECYCLING.

BUT WE REUSE.

WE HAVE VERY, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT COMPLETELY BROKEN, RIGHT, IT'S IN USE IN A SCHOOL.

I BELIEVE THAT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS, LIKE, COULD WE LOOK TO INCREASE? LIKE, SO ARE WE MANDATED WHAT WE CHARGE FOR THOSE RESALES OR DO WE CAN WE INCREASE THAT? I BELIEVE THAT IS A MARKET RATE BECAUSE IT IS THROUGH GROVEDALE.

SO IF YOU CAN BUY AN OLD FILE CABINET FOR $0.08 FROM ONE ORGANIZATION OR $3 FROM ANOTHER ORGANIZATION, YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING TO CHOOSE THE EIGHT CENT ONE. SO IT'S REALLY IT'S JUST A IT'S JUST A MARKETPLACE WHERE GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS ARE ABLE TO LIST ANY OUTDATED OR STILL FUNCTIONAL, BUT EQUIPMENT THAT PERHAPS ISN'T USED.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE DIGITIZED A LOT OF FILES, WE DIDN'T NEED AS MANY FILING CABINETS AS WE ONCE HAD SO WE COULD REALIZE ANY GAINS THERE, BUT PROBABLY NOT OKAY.

NO. MR. BASS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY DECREASES IN CONFERENCE APPROVALS IN THE FINAL QUARTER OF THIS YEAR WITH THIS BUDGET FREEZE OR IN PLANNED CONFERENCES FOR NEXT FISCAL YEAR? SO WE HAVE BASICALLY, AS MISS GALLAGHER ALLUDED TO, WE'VE HAD A FREEZE ON AND WE'VE BEEN FREEZING SPENDING IN REGARDS TO TRAVEL AS WELL AS ALL OTHER THINGS.

WE ACTUALLY JUST IN CABINET WERE DISCUSSING HOW WE WANT TO APPROACH FY 25.

WE OUR CONFERENCE BUDGET, AS ONE WOULD IMAGINE, IT'S NOT VERY BIG.

AND WE DO HAVE CONFERENCES WITHIN OUR BARGAINING UNITS THAT ARE THERE'S A ROTATION FOR OUR FRACASO, WHICH IS OUR ADMINISTRATIVE UNIT TO PARTICIPATE. AND THEY HAVE A BUDGET.

AND FRANKLY, MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ATTEND CONFERENCES PAY OUT OF THEIR POCKET IF THEY WANT TO ATTEND A CONFERENCE BEYOND THE THE SMALL STIPEND THAT THEY'RE GIVEN IN REGARDS TO THAT, WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT WE WILL BE ELIMINATING OR WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON COMMUNICATION RIGHT NOW. THAT WE WILL BE ANY TRAVEL SHOULD BE IN STATE, NO OVERNIGHT TRAVEL AND LOOKING FOR ANYTHING THAT REALLY IS JUST ABOUT IF YOU NEEDED TO MAINTAIN YOUR JOB.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN THE FISCAL SERVICES DIVISION, WE GO AND ATTEND SMALL DAILY CONFERENCES OR A DAY CONFERENCE THAT IS OFFERED THROUGH OUR ASBO OR OUR GFOA, WHICH IS GOVERNMENTAL FINANCIAL OFFICERS ORGANIZATION, WHERE WE DO LIKE A WANT FOR CPE, THAT WE NEED TO MAINTAIN LICENSURE.

AND WE DO THAT THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM THROUGH OPERATIONS, MAINTENANCE AND ALSO OUR TEACHERS.

SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT THAT.

BUT THE BUDGET IN TOTAL IS ONLY ABOUT $500,000.

AND SO WHAT WE PLANNED ON DOING IS ENSURING THAT NO ONE IS GOING OUT OF STATE AND THAT WE'RE ALL MAINTAINING IT TO BE LOCAL.

AND THERE IS AGAIN, THERE'S THE BARGAINING UNIT.

THAT $500,000 ALSO INCLUDES WHAT IS SHOULD BE BUDGETED FOR OUR BARGAINING UNIT.

IF THE BOARD PUT SIMILAR RESTRICTIONS ON OURSELVES, WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ALLOCATE A LITTLE BIT LESS MONEY TO THE BOARD FOR NEXT YEAR? SO, ABSOLUTELY.

BUT THE BOARD, WE ALREADY REVIEWED THE BOARD'S BUDGET AND IN THE LAST THE ON THE 515 WE DID REDUCE THE BOARD'S BUDGET.

IN REGARDS TO THE REVIEW THAT WE HAD, THE BOARD, FRANKLY, HAS A LOT OF VERY FIXED COSTS.

YOU PAY FOR THE AUDITS, YOU PAY FOR YOUR, YOUR MAY DUES.

AND SO THERE'S THE IT'S VERY LIMITED.

BUT ABSOLUTELY YOU AS A BOARD CAN HAVE, CAN FOLLOW THE EXACT SAME THING THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING WHERE THERE'S NO OUT OF STATE TRAVEL.

YEAH. I MEAN, IT WASN'T IT WASN'T CLEAR TO ME EXACTLY.

I DON'T KNOW. PERHAPS I'M WRONG ON THIS.

ALTHOUGH WE REDUCED ON MAY 15TH WASN'T CLEAR TO ME EXACTLY.

[02:30:04]

I'LL SAY BRIEFLY, AND I DON'T THINK THIS WOULD AMOUNT TO VERY MUCH MONEY, BUT I'LL SAY BRIEFLY, I THINK THE PER DIEM AMOUNT OF FOOD THAT THE BOARD IS ALLOWED TO TAKE ON CONFERENCE DAYS IS IS BEYOND WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE.

I FEEL LIKE I'VE NEVER NEEDED TO ACTUALLY UTILIZE ALL OF THAT AND BEEN ABLE TO ONLY GET REIMBURSED FOR WHAT I'VE ACTUALLY UTILIZED AND PERHAPS IN STATE TRAVEL TO THE MAY CONFERENCE AS OPPOSED TO NATIONAL TRAVEL WOULD HELP US.

SO WHEN WE HAVE OUR PER DIEM AMOUNTS, THEY ARE USUALLY THEY TIE TO THE IRS GUIDELINES.

WHEN WE WHEN AND YOU CAN ALWAYS SELECT NOT TO DO PER DIEM.

YOU CAN ALWAYS JUST SELECT TO DO REIMBURSEMENT.

THAT'S UP TO YOU. THAT'S UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL BOARD MEMBER.

BUT NO I REVIEWED THE BUDGET WITH MISS YOHO AND BASICALLY DID A FIVE YEAR ANALYSIS TO DETERMINE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A LOT OF FIXED COSTS WITHIN YOUR BUDGET.

LIKE ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HERE, THERE'S VERY FEW DISCRETIONARY COSTS WITHIN OUR BUDGETS.

AND I'LL REMIND YOU ALSO THAT ONE OF OUR BIGGEST COSTS IS TO ATTORNEYS WHEN WE NEED FOR LEGAL FEES.

SO. YEAH.

I MEAN. I.

WASN'T FULLY PREPARED ON THIS QUESTION, BUT I THINK THAT IT DOES.

I THINK IT'S AN AREA WE CAN LOOK AT RIGHT WHEN WE HAVE A WHEN WE HAVE AN APPEAL.

THERE ARE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE CAN HEAR THE APPEAL, SOME MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE THAN OTHERS.

JU JU. WE.

I ACTUALLY DON'T KNOW THIS.

DO WE KNOW IF.

CAN WE IF WE PROJECT OR.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE HOLD OURSELVES TO ONLY HAVE LESS EX.

CAN WE REDUCE OUR, OUR BUDGET LINE IN THAT AREA FOR NEXT YEAR? SO WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT YOUR CURRENT BUDGET.

AND YOU KNOW, THE THE THING ABOUT YOUR LEGAL FEES, IT'S DEPENDS UPON WHAT'S HAPPENING.

THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE SAME.

I HAVE SOME A SMALL LEGAL FEE BUDGET WITHIN MY ORGANIZATION AND SOMETIMES IT GETS USED AND SOMETIMES THERE'S A TAX RULING.

AND NOW WE'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, 20 HOURS TALKING ABOUT TAXES.

AND THAT EATS UP.

AND WE'VE GONE OVER BUDGET.

SO THAT'S A HARD ONE TO LOOK AT.

WHAT WE TRY TO LOOK AT WAS ARE THERE COSTS, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR TOTAL BUDGET? AND ARE YOU GETTING TO THAT TOTAL BUDGET AND THEN LOOKING WITHIN YOUR BUDGET TO REDUCE? BUT I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT THE YOU AS A GROUP CAN LOOK AT AND MAKE SOME DETERMINATIONS OF EXPENDITURES THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO MAKE, AND YOU WOULD HAVE SOME SAVINGS FOR THE FY 26 BUDGET.

OR YOU COULD FOLLOW THE SAME DIRECTIVES WE ARE IN REGARDS TO MINIMIZING YOUR TRAVEL OR KEEPING IT LOCAL TO THE STATE OF MARYLAND.

I WILL TELL YOU THAT JUST IN IN LOOKING IT OVER AND MISS GALLAGHER, I BELIEVE YOU ALSO LOOKED AT IT AND WITH MISS RICH.

AND WE CUT 10,000 TO HOURS AND 3000 TO THE OMBUDS AND I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY SOME SAVINGS THAT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE SOME POLICY WRITING OR SOME SOME RULES.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO, TO POTENTIALLY WITHOUT DISCUSSING IT.

NOT PUBLICLY, BUT AT LEAST TO LOOK OVER THE BUDGET AT OUR RETREAT THAT NOW THAT WE PROBABLY CAN DO THAT AGAIN.

SO THERE IS A FUTURE TIME THERE, JUST AT THIS POINT WITH HOW HARD IT IS TO GET US ALL TOGETHER.

THERE WASN'T TIME. SO I TOOK THE RECOMMENDATION OF $10,000 AND SAID, YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ABSOLUTELY REASONABLE.

THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE THAT MUCH MORE SAVINGS FROM US.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH TO TO DO MUCH.

I THINK THERE IS SOME, BUT IT'S, IT'S IT'S UNFORTUNATELY PROBABLY A DROP IN THE BUCKET.

SO LET'S GET BACK TO THE MOTION.

THAT IS THE THINGS UP HERE.

AND AGAIN, WE CAN I THINK THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN GOOD AND WE CAN KEEP LOOKING.

THEY WILL KEEP LOOKING FOR REDUCTIONS.

BUT I HOPE YOU'RE GETTING THE IDEA THAT THEY HAVE LOOKED THROUGH.

AND BUT THE MOTION IS TO ACCEPT THE 832,186 AND THE 442,011.

AND THAT WAS MOVED AND SECONDED.

AND I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ON THAT.

SO, MR. ROSE, YEAH, VERY QUICK, VERY QUICK ON THE YOU PULLED IT FROM ME.

[02:35:01]

I'VE ACTUALLY NOT ONLINE.

NO, WE DO HAVE AN.

THIS WOULD BE, I THINK WHAT WE'VE BEEN USING.

AND DOCTOR BINGMAN COULD CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

WE'VE BEEN USING THE MSDE VERSION, AND IT IS NOT GREAT.

JUST TO SAY YOU'RE NOT USER FRIENDLY.

AND SO WE'VE ACTUALLY AS PART OF OUR AUDIT RECOMMENDATIONS, THEY HAD RECOMMENDED THAT THIS WAS PROBABLY NOT THE MOST USER FRIENDLY FOR TEACHERS OR PARENTS, AND THAT WE SHOULD LOOK TO SOMETHING THAT CAN BE MORE INTEGRATED WITH OUR SYSTEMS AND BE MORE FORWARD FACING, SO THAT THAT'S WHY WE PUT THIS IN OUR BUDGET.

AND AGAIN, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WE WILL HAVE IT IN 25.

WE WILL BE IMPLEMENTING IT IN 25 BY USING GRANT FUNDS WITHOUT GOING ON.

SO THAT'S JUST GRANT THAT'S GOING TO BE GRANT FUNDED.

CORRECT? OKAY. WITHOUT GOING ON TOO LONG ON THAT, THE RFP WENT OUT ON JANUARY 10TH, AND I WAS SURPRISED AT THAT TIME.

MR. KELLER CAME WITH THE WITH THE RFP AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

AND I WAS SURPRISED THAT WE COULD DO THAT BECAUSE I KNEW THERE WAS THIS MARYLAND ONE.

BUT IT ISN'T USER FRIENDLY, AND WE DO HAVE SOME LEEWAY WITH THAT.

THIS IS WHAT DELEGATE MILLER TRIED TO GET.

THE WHOLE ONLINE SYSTEM LOOKED AT, BUT HER BILL DIDN'T PASS.

AND THEN REAL QUICK, WHERE WHERE WAS THE INFLATIONARY INCREASE ON TRANSPORTATION FOUND? WHERE DID WE SAVE MONEY? OUR TOTAL INCREASE FOR TRANSPORTATION INFLATION WAS ONE POINT.

ONE $5 MILLION.

SO THIS WILL TAKE IT DOWN TO JUST ABOUT 800,000.

AND AND DID WE ASK TRANSPORTATION TO DO A THOROUGH REVIEW OF CONTRACTED ATHLETIC TRANSPORTATION SERVICE? BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE CONTRACTED BUSSES ARE ALMOST HALF OF OUR BUDGET AND, YOU KNOW, AND YES, THEY DID.

YOU'VE ALL HEARD FROM OUR DIRECTOR BEFORE, MR. ARROW. HE IS YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, BECAUSE OF THE EFFICIENCIES THAT WE HAVE IN REGARDS TO OUR DOUBLE BACKS IS WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE OF GETTING OUR STUDENTS AND HOW WE USE OUR BUSSES.

SO WE DO HAVE TO RELY ON CONTRACTED SERVICES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S OUT OF COUNTY.

SO JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC ONE, EFFICIENCY HAS CREATED OUR ISSUE FOR THE NEED OF CONTRACTED SERVICES TO TRANSPORT OUR ATHLETES.

THANK YOU. OKAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, IF THE PUBLIC HAS ANY COMMENT ON THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THIS SCREEN WITH THE 832,000 AND THE NEXT SCREEN WITH THE 442,000, WHICH IS THE LUNCH MONITORS, THERE YOU SEE IT.

AND AND MISS CLAYBAUGH MAYBE WOULDN'T MIND FLASHING BETWEEN THE TWO.

SO IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THESE REDUCTIONS.

PLEASE MOVE TO THE MICROPHONE AND STATE YOUR NAME.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GEOFFREY HAROLD.

I'VE GOT A STUDENT HERE IN FCPS.

HIS PARTNER TEACHES FOR FCPS.

YES. I BELIEVE THAT BY.

NOT REPLACING THE TWO CURRICULUM SPECIALISTS.

WE ARE DOING THE REMAINING CURRICULUM SPECIALISTS OF EXTREME DISFAVOR IN THAT EVERYBODY'S WORKLOAD IS GOING TO GO UP ROUGHLY 10% WITH NO ADEQUATE COMPENSATION FOR THAT.

I HAVE SEEN THIS IN REAL LIFE.

I WAS ON A SUBMARINE BACK IN THE 80S.

AT ONE TIME WE HAD A 600 SHIP NAVY.

IT IS NOW LESS THAN 200.

WHEN I GOT OUT IT WAS ABOUT A 400 SHIP NAVY.

AND WE SAW OUR OPERATIONAL TEMPO INCREASE.

ABOUT 30%.

WHICH MADE OUR HOME TIME CONSIDERABLY MORE VALUABLE TO US AND CONSIDERABLY LESS AVAILABLE TO US.

SO. SAME THING GOING ON HERE.

YES. ONE PERSON IS RETIRING, I BELIEVE.

I HEARD THAT THE OTHER ONE WAS BEING ACCESSED OR IS ALSO RETIRING.

STILL, THE JOB'S GOT TO BE DONE BY SOMEBODY.

AND. MIGHT NOT BE THE APPROPRIATE VENUE FOR THIS AT THIS POINT, BUT THE SAME THING IS HAPPENING IN OUR HIGH SCHOOLS WITH OUR TEACHERS BEING.

EXIST, USUALLY AROUND A HALF A DOZEN OR MORE PER SCHOOL.

[02:40:04]

AND WE'VE GOT CHEMISTRY CLASSES WITH 35 STUDENTS IN IT, AND THAT IS UNSAFE.

PHYSICS CLASSES WITH 38 STUDENTS UNSAFE.

SO SORRY THAT CUT WAS MADE TWO WEEKS AGO AND WE DO UNDERSTAND.

SO. AND YOU EVEN SAID IT MIGHT NOT BE OKAY.

YEAH. SO JUST ON THIS MOTION.

OKAY. SO JUST ON THIS MOTION I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD ACCESS THOSE FOLKS.

WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE AUDIENCE? ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION WAS MADE TO ACCEPT THESE TWO SECTIONS OF EXPENSE REDUCTIONS.

ALL THOSE IN. THE CLARIFYING QUESTION.

IF A BOARD MEMBER HAD AN ADDITIONAL REDUCTION, AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE REDUCTION MOTION THAT COULD COME AFTER THIS MOTION. WELL, YEAH.

OKAY. THAT WAS THE CLARIFICATION I WAS LOOKING.

THANK YOU. YES.

ONLY IF YOU WANTED TO CHANGE ANYTHING ON THIS LIST WOULD YOU NEED TO HAVE THIS SPECIFIC MOTION? ANYTHING ADDITIONAL COULD BE A SEPARATE MOTION.

OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THESE, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

THAT IS UNANIMOUS.

INCLUDING THE STUDENT MEMBER.

THANK YOU, MISS CLAY. SO WE WERE GOING TO MOVE ON TO WHAT? NO. GO AHEAD, MISS ALLEN.

I ALSO HAD A CLARIFICATION.

SO IF BEFORE WE STARTED THIS NEXT SECTION I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY IF I DID WANT TO MAKE A MOTION TO BRING FORWARD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE RV PROGRAM.

IS THAT NOW, OR IS THAT AFTER CHARTER SCHOOL? NOT IN MY PRESENTATION, SO I THINK I'D HAVE TO.

I'M DEFERRING TO YOU.

HADN'T THOUGHT THAT ONE THROUGH, SO I.

WOULD NOT THINK.

I'M NOT SEEING MR. BLEVINS HERE TO SEE ANY KIND OF LEGAL.

I IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA.

BUT NEITHER OF THESE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY, IF I MAY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EXPENSE REDUCTIONS AND REVENUES.

SO THIS IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM.

ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT WE JUST VOTED ON WERE NOT AGENDA ITEMS. WE WERE VOTING ON THE BLANKET PRESENTATION OF, YOU KNOW, EXPENDITURE ADJUSTMENTS AND, AND AND WELL, THAT IS TRULY THIS IS LIKE FROM A FORM OF BUSINESS, LIKE IT'S NOT ACTUALLY AN AGENDA ITEM.

CHARTER SCHOOL FUNDING I DON'T THINK SHOULD BE ITS OWN AGENDA ITEM.

THIS IS ALL UNDER THE AUSPICES OF THE BUDGET.

OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S I'M LOOKING AT THE THE AGENDA.

ITS OPERATING BUDGET AND CHARTER SCHOOL FUNDING WAS SPECIFIC.

RIGHT. SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS.

HE'S MADE THE INTEREST OF MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WAS TO BRING UP RVP.

I THINK THE BOARD BOARD MEMBERS ARE POLITELY ASKING WHERE TO INSERT THAT INTO THE PROPORTION OF THE DISCUSSION AROUND THE OPERATING BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT IS DIRECTLY WHAT IT WAS RELATED TO. AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THEN THAT IS ON THE AGENDA.

SO IT'S AT IT'S AT, I GUESS, THE WILL OF THE BOARD IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS IT NOW OR LATER.

I WOULD BE INCLINED TO FOLLOW THE PRESENTATION THAT MISS CLAYBAUGH HAS PUT TOGETHER AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOL.

BUT I WILL DEFER TO THE REMAINDER OF THE BOARD TO MAKE THAT DECISION OR HAVE CONSENSUS ABOUT THAT.

AND THEN I CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DISCUSS.

TO PASS. I GUESS THE ONE THING I WANT TO KEEP IN MIND IS THAT ON MAY 15TH, REMOTE VIRTUAL WAS GROUPED WITH BUDGET REDUCTIONS.

AND SO I THINK THAT IF WE'RE DISCUSSING REMOTE VIRTUAL TONIGHT, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN THIS GROUPING WITH BUDGET REDUCTIONS.

MISS YOHO JUST MR. I THINK HAD TO STEP OUT, BUT HE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE I RELAYED A MESSAGE THAT FROM A SORT OF PROCEDURAL PERSPECTIVE.

AND MISS CLAIBORNE, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.

SORT OF. THE ACTION THAT THE BOARDS HAVE TAKEN TO THIS POINT HAVE CLOSED THE THE DEFICIT.

OKAY. SO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU A BALANCED BUDGET.

OKAY. SO ANY ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT YOU'RE SEEKING TO MAKE WILL UNBALANCE YOUR BUDGET.

[02:45:08]

IS THAT WHAT THEY CALL IT, A SEESAW TEETER TOTTER? YOU'RE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO, TO HAVE MORE SORT OF MONEY TO WORK WITH SO THAT YOU CAN MAKE SOME OTHER DECISIONS, SOME OTHER BOARD INTERESTS.

IT MIGHT BE THE RECOMMENDATION TO BRING THAT FORWARD TO THE JUNE 12TH MEETING, SO THAT IT'S LOOKED AT IN RELATIONSHIP TO EACH OTHER, SO THAT YOU'RE HAVING BOTH THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED FOR, THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AROUND ADDITIONAL SAVINGS, ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS THAT YOU'RE THEN HAVING THAT CONVERSATION PAIRED WITH ANY RESTORATIONS? THAT WOULD BE THAT WAS HE I'M REPRESENTING HIS PERSPECTIVE.

SO IF I COULD CLARIFY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT'S RECOMMENDED TO CONSIDER MAKING A MOTION TO DISCUSS, LIKE RVP OR ANYTHING.

WE LOOKING TO HAVE ADD ANY ADDITIONS YOU MENTIONED THAT HAVE TO GIVE STAFF TIME TO FIND POSSIBLE FUNDING TO SUPPORT THAT AT JUNE 12TH.

OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU NOW A BALANCED BUDGET BASED ON THE ACTION YOU TOOK, YOU CLOSED YOUR EXISTING GAP.

AND SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING TO.

CHANGE THAT BY MAKING IT.

I'M HEARING SORT OF THIS, YOU KNOW, INTEREST IN HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT MAYBE RESTORATIONS IN A PARTIAL OR FULL WAY.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BOARD'S CONSIDERING.

YOU MAY WANT TO SITUATE THOSE CONVERSATIONS ON JUNE 12TH, WHEN THEY'RE BEING MADE IN CONCERT OR IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER QUESTIONS, SINCE YOU KNOW THAT THEY WILL REQUIRE REVENUE OR OTHER, LIKE THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCING OF THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

MR.. JAY. YEAH, AND IT'S A QUESTION KIND OF DOUBLE ON THAT FOR PROCEDURES ALIGNED AT THE MOMENT.

I GOT A QUESTION FOR CLARITY.

ANYTHING THAT CAME UP HAD TO BE DISCUSSION BECAUSE ANY ACTION WOULD HAVE HAD TO BE ON AGENDA PREVIOUSLY.

I'M ASKING FOR CLARITY FOR PROCEDURE, I BELIEVE BECAUSE YOU VOTED ON TO ELIMINATE THE RVP, THE PREVAILING SIDE WOULD NEED TO BRING THAT BACK IN ORDER TO RECONSIDER IT.

SO SOMEONE WHO VOTED FOR THAT MOTION WOULD NEED TO BRING THAT BACK AS A RECONSIDERATION.

AND I THINK WHAT DOCTOR SIRGO IS EXPRESSING IS THAT IF THAT IS THE CASE, WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION BECAUSE THE BUDGET IS CURRENTLY BALANCED AS TO WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO SEEK, BECAUSE THERE THERE, IF THERE IS ANY MORE REVENUE, IT WILL BE VERY LIMITED.

WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO SEEK EXPENDITURE REDUCTION, ADDITIONAL EXPENDITURE REDUCTIONS.

MAY I MAKE MAY I MAKE ONE POINT? I, I UNDERSTAND WHERE STAFF IS COMING FROM, BUT I JUST WE JUST GOT FINISHED TALKING ABOUT BEING RESPECTFUL TO STAFFING TO OUR STAFF MEMBERS. IF THERE'S THIS DISCUSSION, JUNE 12TH IS TOO LATE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT RESTORATION OF STAFF.

SO I THAT WOULD NOT BE RIGHT.

SCHOOL ENDS FOR TEACHERS ON JUNE 10TH.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE.

WE DO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET IF IT IS THE BOARD'S INTEREST I UNDERSTAND PROCEDURE, BUT I CAN NOT LIVE WITH YOU KNOW, WE JUST SAID WE HAD A CORE VALUE OF TAKING CARE OF OUR STAFF.

WE CANNOT MAKE A DECISION ON JUNE 12TH AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING PEOPLE BACK.

SO IT WAS JUST BE MY RESPECTFUL OPINION, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW PROCEDURALLY IT IT IT MAY SEEM OUT OF ORDER, BUT I THINK THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE HAD TONIGHT, ALONG WITH THE DIRECTION OF WHERE STAFF SHOULD GO TO FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDS.

I THOUGHT I SAW SOME HANDS HERE, MISS JOHNSON.

YEAH. BASICALLY, I WAS GOING TO JUST SUPPORT THE SAME MESSAGE THAT DOCTOR DYSON HAD AND JUST I THINK IT IS IN A NUMBER OF BOARD MEMBERS INTERESTS TO REOPEN THIS DISCUSSION.

THIS IS ALL AROUND THE BUDGET AND.

PROCEDURALLY, I DO THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO HAVE THIS, AND I KNOW IT'S AWKWARD BECAUSE OF ALL THE TIMINGS OF EVERYTHING, AND SO I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S THE INTENT OR THE SPIRIT OF THE BOARD TO MANIPULATE OUR STAFF WHO WE CARE ABOUT VERY MUCH.

I THINK THE OVERRIDING CONCERN, AT LEAST I CAN SPEAK FOR MYSELF, BUT I KNOW A NUMBER OF MY COLLEAGUES, IF NOT EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD, IS OUR CARE FOR EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN.

[02:50:08]

SO. MISS GALLAGHER AND THE MR. J. SO JUST GOING BACK TO MISS ALLEN'S ORIGINAL QUESTION, MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE THAT WE CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION AND HAVE THE CHARTER SCHOOL FUNDING DISCUSSION, AND THEN, I GUESS, OPEN UP FOR ADDITIONAL MOTIONS OR DISCUSSION.

SO MY QUESTION IS JUST FOR FOR CLARITY OF WHERE WE ARE AS A SYSTEM.

AGAIN, WE HAD HARD CHOICES AND WE HAD THE INFORMATION WE HAD AT THE TIME ON THE 15TH.

AND WE WE VOTED TO THE CHANGES TO THE RFP.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS ABOUT MENTIONED BEFORE.

YOU KNOW, I'M ASKING MY PROCEDURE.

I'M ALSO ASKING ABOUT LIKE WHERE WE ARE AT SYSTEM IN TERMS OF OUR TAKING CARE OF OUR STAFF AND WHAT IN TERMS OF THE TERMS OF THE FUNCTIONALITY OF, YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE, AGAIN, I MENTIONED BEFORE, I'VE BEEN A PROPONENT OF THE PROGRAM SINCE, YOU KNOW, INCEPTION.

BUT I'M ALSO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE I WANT TO BE A GOOD STEWARD OF OUR OF OUR STAFF'S TIME AND OUR COMMUNITY'S TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALL SHARED THIS BURDEN.

SO IN LINE WITH THE PASSION TO BRING A DISCUSSION BACK, I'M ASKING FOR CLARITY WHERE WE ARE WITH STAFF BECAUSE WE MENTIONED WE HAD SOME RETIREMENTS.

WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED THAT THEY WOULD HAVE THAT CHANGE BASED ON THE BOARD'S PREVIOUS DECISION.

AND FUNCTIONALLY, WHERE ARE WE? WITH STAFF, YOU KNOW, IN THAT DISCUSSION, WE SEE WHERE WHERE OUR ALLIANCE IS GOING, BUT IN FUNCTIONALITY, WHERE ARE WE WITH STAFFING IN THAT, IN THAT VENUE.

SO, MR. JAY, I APPRECIATE YOU ASKING THAT.

SO THE DATE THAT WE SORT OF LOOK AT AND LEAN ON IN THE WORLD OF HR IS JULY 15TH AND UNDER THE CODE OF MARYLAND ANNOTATED REGULATION, YOU HAVE UNTIL JULY 15TH TO RESIGN WITHOUT PREJUDICE FROM YOUR DISTRICT.

IF YOU ARE A YOU'RE NOT A CONDITION, YOU'RE NOT A TEACHER UNDER SOME SORT OF A CONDITIONAL CONTRACT.

AND SO WE WE HAVE THAT SORT OF AGREEMENT ACROSS THE STATE, WHICH IS GOOD.

RIGHT. SO THERE'S EVERYBODY KNOWS AFTER JULY 15TH YOU HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.

AND SO THAT PERIOD OF TIME OF, OF MOVEMENT IS GOING TO OCCUR.

THAT'S A NATURAL PART OF THE HR CYCLE.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT OUR STAFFING REPORTS HISTORICALLY, YOU SEE WE HAVE OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT HIRING AND RESIGNATIONS IN MAY, JUNE AND JULY FOR THAT REASON.

BUT I DO THINK TO DOCTOR DYSON'S POINT, IF YOU ARE CONSIDERING ANY ACTION THAT WILL AFFECT STAFF, CERTAINLY DOING THAT TONIGHT OR THIS EVENING WOULD BE, I THINK, A RESOUNDING PREFERENCE.

SO I'M ASKING IN TERMS OF LIKE BASED ON WHAT WE, WHAT WE DECISION WE MADE.

SO JUST BE KIND OF BLUNT WITH IT.

WE REDUCED OUR VP.

YES YOU DID. AND SO WHAT WAS WHAT WERE OUR STAFF TOLD AFTER THAT.

WHERE WHERE ARE THEY NOW. ARE WE EVEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IN CONSIDERATION OF LOOKING AT THE PROGRAM, IF WE WERE TO MAKE A DECISION AGAIN, I MENTIONED BEFORE, IT'S NOT JUST MOVING MONEY, IT'S MOVING PEOPLE.

SO CHANGING LIVES.

WHERE ARE OUR STAFF NOW? ARE WE WE I DON'T WANT TO BE WHERE WE'RE INCONSISTENT IN YO YOING THEM.

I KNOW IT WAS A HARD THING FOR OUR STUDENTS AND PARENTS TO HEAR WHAT WE DID, BUT WE HAD DIFFERENT.

WE HAD THE TIME AND WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION THAT WAS BEST FOR OUR STAFF AND FAMILIES.

AND IT WAS.

IT WAS DOUBLE PAIN WITH THE PIC, A PIC, A PIC, A EVIL.

AND SO ARE WE IN A POSITION NOW WHERE BECAUSE MORE TROUBLE LOOKING AT TRYING TO WHIPLASH THEM BACK.

WHERE ARE WE AT WITH THAT? SO WE HAVE HAD SOME EMPLOYEES WHO WORK FOR THE RVP MAKE DECISIONS FOR THEMSELVES ALREADY, AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SUBMIT RETIREMENTS.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE SELECT POSITIONS IN OTHER LOCATIONS IN IN PHYSICAL BUILDINGS.

SO SOME PEOPLE HAVE MADE THOSE DECISIONS.

CERTAINLY NOBODY HAS BEEN FORMALLY PLACED YET.

AS I INDICATED EARLIER THIS EVENING, THOSE MEETINGS FOR PLACEMENT ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE TOMORROW.

AND SO THEY'RE NOT WE'RE NOT SORT OF AFFECTING MULTIPLE PLACES YET.

THAT WOULD HAPPEN IF WE WAIT BEYOND TODAY BECAUSE WE WILL PLACE THEM AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO.

AND THERE'S SOME NUANCE HERE, FRANKLY IN OUR NEGOTIATED AGREEMENT THAT SORT OF GOVERNS HOW WE OPERATE THIS, THE CURRENT FEQUET AGREEMENT DOESN'T HAVE SOMETHING WE REFER TO IN THE LABOR WORLD AS SOMETHING CALLED RIGHT TO RETURN.

RIGHT NOW, I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE IN OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH FCTA THAT SHOULD THERE BE A RESTORATION, THAT THERE WOULD BE A COLLECTIVE INTEREST IN LOOKING AT THAT AS A POSSIBILITY.

BUT ARGUABLY ABSENT THAT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO REAPPLY AND GET REHIRED.

OKAY. SO THOSE ARE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES OF OF WAITING.

[02:55:01]

IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT I'M SPEAKING OF ACTUALLY CONSEQUENCES OF THIS EVENING ARE THOSE ARE THOSE STILL POSSIBILITIES IF ACTION TAKEN THIS EVENING.

YES WE COULD CERTAINLY WE WILL BE PREPARED TO ADDRESS WHAT ANY ACTION THAT THE BOARD TAKES.

NO, WHAT I'M SAYING I'M HERE'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET CLEAR AGAIN.

I'VE SAT IN THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE, AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHEN WE HAD GREAT INTENTION AND WE MADE IT, MADE A MOTION THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT PASSED AND IT CAUSED MORE PAIN THAN IT WAS. THE MEDICINE WAS, WAS WAS WORSE THAN THE CURE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, SO LIKE WORSE THAN THE DISEASE.

SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE IF WE MAKE ACTION TO THAT, WE DON'T CAUSE MORE PROBLEMS THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TO INTENTIONALLY CAUSE.

I'M SORRY IF I SAID THAT.

NO, NO, NO, I UNDERSTAND, I THINK I THINK THAT THAT PERSPECTIVE IS IN THE EYE OF THE INDIVIDUAL.

I THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FALL ON ALL PARTS OF THAT CONTINUUM.

OKAY. WILL WE BE PREPARED TO WORK THAT THROUGH WITH ANYBODY BASED ON THEIR INTERACTION OR THEIR FEELINGS ABOUT THE DECISION? OKAY. MISS JOHNSON.

YEAH. AND I JUST WANT TO STATE SOMETHING CLEARLY FOR THE PUBLIC HERE THAT WE ARE A BOARD AND WE WE DON'T MEET OUTSIDE OF OUR BOARD ROOM.

SO IF THE DISCUSSION SOUNDS AWKWARD AND WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT, LIKE, CAN WE DO THIS OR WHAT CAN WE DO IS BECAUSE THIS IS WHERE WE HAVE A CONDUCTOR OF PUBLIC BUSINESS.

SO I'M SORRY IF IT SEEMS LIKE WE DON'T HAVE OUR ACT TOGETHER, BUT IT'S JUST PURELY BECAUSE WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION SO THAT WE KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY ACTUALLY IS SITTING AT THE MOMENT.

SO THIS IS THE MEETING? YEAH, THIS IS THE MEETING.

SO THIS IS THIS IS LIKE US DOING OUR BUSINESS OUT OPEN IN THE PUBLIC.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT SO YES, NOT A SHOW PEOPLE.

THIS HAS ACTUALLY HAD SOURCES MADE MISS ALLEN.

SO I JUST WOULD LIKE SOME CLARIFICATION.

SO THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY HAVE ALREADY ACCEPTED ANOTHER POSITION AND SAY THE PROGRAM IS REINSTATED AT WHATEVER LEVEL, WHETHER IT'S A FULL OR PARTIAL THEN THOSE POSITIONS BECOME OPEN.

CORRECT? THAT'S THE CURRENT PROCESS.

THAT WOULD BE THE CURRENT PROCESS.

OKAY. SO I THINK IT WAS THE CONSENSUS TO ALLOW MISS CLAYBAUGH TO CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF. I DON'T WANT TO OVERSTATE, I DON'T KNOW.

IS THAT TRULY THE CONSENSUS? THAT'S I APOLOGIZE.

PEOPLE COULD JUST STATE WHERE THEY ARE AND THEN WE CAN GET TO CONSENSUS.

MR. ROSE, I SUPPORT HER RIGHT TO MAKE THE MOTION.

I AGREE I'D PREFER TO CONTINUE WITH THE PRESENTATION AS IT IS LAID OUT.

MR. J. I DO SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE SAID WE DID, SO WE SAID WE WERE DOING THIS ORDER.

I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP THE ORDER THE SAME.

MISS GALLAGHER. YEAH.

I'M IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THE PRESENTATION.

MISS ALLEN, I THINK YOU STATED THAT.

DID I PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH TO CONTINUE WITH? OR YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT CONTINUE? I DID, I ACTUALLY INDICATED THAT YES, I WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT MISS CLAIBORNE COULD CONTINUE WITH HER PRESENTATION, AND THEN WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION.

MR. BASS, I, I'D PREFER THE RVP DISCUSSION NOW.

MISS JOHNSON.

JUST BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PRESENTATIONS ARE LINKED THIS WEEK.

I WOULD PREFER THE RVP DISCUSSION NOW.

MISS LIEBERMAN. SAME AS MISS JOHNSON, MR. BASS. SO CONSENSUS.

OKAY, SO WE HAD DISCUSSED THE CHARTER SCHOOL FUNDING AT A PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING.

SO WE WANTED TO COME BACK BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.

AND AT THE MAY 1ST BOARD MEETING, WE STAFF PROVIDED INFORMATION REGARDING THE FIVE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OF THE EDUCATION ARTICLE AS IT RELATED TO THE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN RELATION TO THE STATE OF BOARD OPINION REGARDING BALTIMORE COUNTY BALTIMORE CITY CHARTER SCHOOLS.

SORRY ABOUT THAT.

SO TONIGHT WE BECAUSE WE'VE HAD OUR REVENUES UPDATED, WE WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE FINAL REVIEW OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL BUDGETS AT THE 75%. AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, WE ARE COMPARING THE TO OUR CURRENT PPA FORMULA, WHICH IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THIS REVENUE BASED FORMULA.

SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, THE PPA IS A IS A THE CURRENT FORMULA HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND VETTED BY THE STATE.

AND IT HAS ALSO HAD SOME LITIGATION SURROUNDING IT.

SO IT IS AN APPROPRIATE FORMULA.

AND THEN THE 75% FORMULA IS ALSO AN APPROPRIATE FORMULA AS IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND VETTED BY THE STATE BOARD.

[03:00:04]

THE FY 25 BUDGET WAS CREATED USING THE 75% STATE BOARD FORMULA.

IF WE WERE TO REMAIN WITH THE CURRENT FORMULA, WE WOULD NEED TO ADD A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION TO THE FY 25 BUDGET.

IF WE STAYED WITH THE 75% FORMULA, IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY BUDGET NEUTRAL.

THERE IS A SMALL DECREASE OF $25,000.

AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, THE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE FCPS SCHOOLS, BUT THEY ARE FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY OR HAVE BEEN FUNDED IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FCPS AS A, AS WE PROVIDE TO EVERY FCPS SCHOOL IS SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICES.

SO THE CHARTERS TYPICALLY HAVE NEVER RECEIVED SPECIAL EDUCATION, A SPECIAL EDUCATION FUNDING.

THEY'VE ALWAYS JUST RECEIVED THOSE AS IN-KIND SERVICES BECAUSE THEY ARE WOULD ESSENTIALLY DEPLETE THEIR BUDGETS THEIR SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURES TO THE CHARTERS.

IN FISCAL YEAR 24, WE'RE ESTIMATING WE WILL BE SPENDING CLOSE TO $1.85 MILLION ON SPECIAL EDUCATION OVER THE THROUGHOUT THE FOUR CHARTER SCHOOLS.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE INCLUDE AS AN IN-KIND SERVICE IS OUR PUPIL PERSONNEL SERVICES.

SO THAT INCLUDES YOUR PEP AND YOUR CAST WORKERS.

AND THEN OF COURSE THE CENTRAL OFFICE SUPPORT.

SO OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, THE MAJORITY OF THEIR FUNDING, JUST LIKE THE MAJORITY OF OUR FUNDING IS THROUGH STAFFING.

SO IT IS ALL HANDLED THROUGH OUR PAYROLL OFFICE.

HR HELPS DOES THE HIRING FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, JUST AS WE DO FOR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY ARE FCPS SCHOOLS, SO THEY WORK WITH THEIR PRINCIPALS TO DO THE HIRING.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTOOD THAT, THAT THOSE TYPE OF THINGS STILL CONTINUED.

SO THAT'S THIS IS REALLY JUST AN UPDATE TO SHOW YOU WHERE WE ARE.

I'M GOING TO TAKE YOU BACK TO THE FORMULA INFORMATION.

BUT JUST AS A REMINDER, WHEN WE CREATED THE FY 25 BUDGET, WE CREATED IT USING THE 75% THAT HAD BEEN APPROVED BY THE STATE BOARD.

AND IF WE WOULD WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT FORMULA, WE WOULD NEED TO ADD A LITTLE OVER $1 MILLION INTO THE BUDGET.

WOULD IT BE OKAY IF YOU REPEATED THE AT LEAST THE SPECIAL EDUCATION NUMBER? THERE WERE 1 OR 2 NUMBERS YOU MENTIONED THAT WEREN'T ON THE SLIDE.

SURE. SO THE SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICES IS PROVIDED AS AN IN-KIND SERVICE.

AND I DID TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE STAFFING THAT'S PROVIDED AT THE SCHOOLS.

AND CURRENTLY IT'S ABOUT $1.85 MILLION IN THE FY 24 BUDGET.

AND IT'S THE MAJORITY OF IT IS IN STAFFING, ALTHOUGH WE DO PROVIDE SOME CONTRACTED SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICES.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CONTRACTED SLP THAT IS AT ONE OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS FOR SOME SERVICES, WHICH IS STANDARD, LIKE WE HAVE THAT HAPPENING AT ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS IF WE NEED THEM.

WE DO HAVE SLPS, BUT OCCASIONALLY WE USE CONTRACTED SERVICES.

BUT THAT IS THE ONE THING.

AND THEN WE ALSO AGAIN THE PUPIL PERSONNEL, WHICH IS CATEGORY SEVEN THOSE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED AS AN IN-KIND SERVICE AS WELL.

AND THEN PARTS OF OUR CLASS ONE IS ALSO AN IN-KIND SERVICE.

MISS GALLAGHER, JUST A CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

THAT 1.8 MILLION WAS SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICES IN TOTAL, OR WAS THAT ALL THREE CATEGORIES? WHAT WE KNOW THAT THAT IS JUST SPECIAL EDUCATION SERVICES.

DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL AMOUNT FOR IN-KIND SERVICES THAT WOULD COVER ALL OF THESE CATEGORIES THAT WE PROVIDE? WE ALSO DO SOME BUYBACK, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A PROPORTION OF OUR BUDGET.

AND I THINK THAT BUDGET IN TOTAL IS ABOUT $285,000 THROUGHOUT THE SERVICES.

AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE DO THAT BUYBACKS IS BECAUSE WHILE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE SEMI-AUTONOMOUS, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO PARTICIPATE WITH US FOR. AND MAINLY IT'S AROUND OUR TECHNOLOGY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT WE ARE UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF THE STATE IN REGARDS TO TECHNOLOGY.

SO WE ALL HAVE TO HAVE THE SAME TECHNOLOGY AND BE ON THE SAME FOR FOR HEAVEN KNOWS, WE DON'T EVER WANT TO HAVE A RANSOM WEAR ISSUE LIKE SOME OF OUR OTHER LEAS HAVE HAD. SO WE ALL ARE WITHIN THE SAME TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THOSE BUYBACK SERVICES ARE.

IF WE MOVE TO THE 75%, THE BUYBACKS NO LONGER BECOME BUYBACKS.

THEY BECOME PART ANOTHER ADDITIONAL IN-KIND SERVICES.

AND RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS RECEIVE ALL OF THEIR CLASS FOUR FUNDING, THEY DON'T PARTICIPATE IN OUR REPLACEMENT CYCLE FOR OUR COMPUTERS.

THEY WILL NOW REPLACE, IF WE MOVE TO 75%, WOULD PARTICIPATE IN OUR REPLACEMENT CYCLE FOR OUR FOR OUR CHROMEBOOKS.

[03:05:03]

SO YEAH, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT OTHER SCREEN.

SO THE VARIANCE THAT SEEMED TO ME THEY THERE WERE ABOUT FIVE, I'M SORRY, 10% OF WHAT THAT VARIANCE NUMBER IS.

JUST SO PEOPLE LIKE I JUST REMEMBER OH I THOUGHT FREDERICK CLASSICAL HAD ABOUT 50,000.

I MEAN, THEY, THEY WERE RANGED KIND OF FROM 25 TO 50,000.

IT REALLY DEPENDS UPON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

YOU KNOW, FREDERICK CLASSICAL IS OUR LARGER CHARTER SCHOOL.

SO THEY THEIR BUYBACKS ARE IT'S A PROPORTION.

SO THERE WOULD BE HIGHER.

AND IT IS PROPORTIONAL.

IT'S NOT DIRECT A DIRECT EXPENDITURE BECAUSE FOR EXAMPLE, THE COST FOR INTERNET IN OUR SCHOOL, BECAUSE OF ITS LOCATION IS ABOUT FIVE TIMES THE COST OF INTERNET PROVIDED TO ANY OTHER SCHOOL.

BUT WE DON'T DO THAT AS A DIRECT EXPENDITURE.

WE JUST DO IT AS A PROPORTIONATE EXPENDITURE.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE POINT.

IT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF THE VARIANCE.

NO, IT CERTAINLY IS NOT.

MISS ALLEN, I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION.

MY MOTION IS, IS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE CURRENT LEVEL OF FUNDING MAINTAINED AND THAT WE PAUSE THE 7525 STATE BOARD FORMULA FOR ONE YEAR AND THE FUNDING IN ORDER TO DO THAT.

THE FUNDING IN ORDER TO DO THAT IS THAT WE WOULD USE 1 MILLION FROM THE FUND BALANCE TO ALLOW FOR THIS PAUSE FOR ONE YEAR.

SO ARE YOU ASKING ME TO FIND ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS IN FUND BALANCE? NO. I'M ASKING TO USE 1 MILLION FROM THE 14 POINT.

EIGHT THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN THE FUND BALANCE.

IT'S ALREADY USED TO BALANCE THE BUDGET, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS EITHER THROUGH AN EXPENDITURE REDUCTION OR REVENUES.

AND AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD HAVE $1 MILLION IN FUND BALANCE AVAILABLE.

SO THAT ISN'T WHAT I UNDERSTOOD EARLIER.

MY UNDERSTANDING EARLIER WAS THAT THAT FUND BALANCE WAS BEING USED FOR EXPENDITURES.

IT ABSOLUTELY IS BEING USED FOR EXPENDITURES, BUT IT'S WHAT'S GOT US TO A BALANCED BUDGET.

SO NOW WE HAVE OUR REVENUES EQUAL OUR EXPENSES.

SO IF WE ADD TO OUR EXPENSES, WE WILL NOW BE OVER $1 MILLION IN OUR EXPENSES.

SO WE WILL NEED TO FIND EITHER ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE OR CUT AN EXPENSE.

OKAY, SO I STILL WOULD LIKE I THINK I'LL HAVE TO AMEND MY MOTION.

AND THAT I'LL SAY THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US AS A BOARD PAUSE THE 7525 FUNDING STATE BOARD FORMULA FUNDING FOR THE FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS FOR ONE FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR TO ALLOW THEM TIME TO REVISIT THEIR BUDGETS AND PREPARE IN FY 26 FOR THIS FORMULA FUNDING.

AND THAT I WOULD ASK THAT IN THE REQUEST PREVIOUSLY THAT LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCIES, THAT THAT IS WHERE THE $1 MILLION WOULD BE FOUND.

I'LL SECOND YOUR MOTION.

ARE YOU GOOD WITH THAT, MISS RICH? OKAY, EXCELLENT.

ALL RIGHT. AND I FEEL LIKE YOU SORT OF TALKED TO YOUR EMOTION THERE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON THAT, ACTUALLY I DO.

SO I WROTE OUT BASICALLY TO SUPPORT MY MOTION SO THAT THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD WHY I MADE THIS CHOICE AND WHY I MADE THIS MOTION.

I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT CHARTER SCHOOLS.

THEY OFFER OUR COUNTY A CHOICE FOR BOTH PARENTS AND STUDENTS.

THEY OPERATE MORE EFFICIENTLY.

THEY USE INNOVATIVE, EFFECTIVE, AND EVIDENCE BASED ACADEMIC PROGRAMS THAT HAVE RESULTED IN STATEWIDE RECOGNITION OF STUDENT ACHIEVEMENT, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL AND UNIQUE ACADEMIC OPPORTUNITIES AND CHALLENGES, AND CREATE A STRONG SENSE OF COMMUNITY AMONG THE STUDENTS, STAFF, PARENTS.

THEY ARE SUCCESSFUL PARTNERS TO CPS, AND I FEEL LIKE THIS PARTICULAR FORMULA PUT THEM IN A POSITION THAT CHALLENGED THEM IN THEIR SUSTAINABILITY AND OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND.

IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO INITIATE A FUNDING FORMULA THAT WE KNOW MAY RESULT IN POTENTIAL CLOSURES, THEN HAVE TO ABSORB THOSE STUDENTS BACK INTO THE

[03:10:08]

IT SEEMS THAT WE WERE BEING A LITTLE SHORT SIGHTED IN OUR APPROACH TO THIS NEW, INNOVATIVE INITIATIVE UNDER THE BLUEPRINT, AND JUST BECAUSE WE CAN DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULD.

WHILE THE BLUEPRINT MIGHT INCLUDE A 7525 RULE THAT CAN BE APPLIED ACROSS THE BOARD TO ALL OUR SCHOOLS, IT DOES GIVE THE LEAS THE FINAL AUTHORITY IN THE DELEGATION OF THE FUNDING OF THEIR SCHOOLS.

THANK YOU, MISS ALLEN.

MISS JOHNSON. YEAH.

THANK YOU. I WON'T BE AS ELEGANT OR WELL READ AS YOUR YOUR WORDS THERE, MISS ALLEN, BUT I CONCUR WITH THEM.

AND I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY GIVES ME A BIG CONCERN, I ALSO LIKE BEING A GENERAL MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AND INTERESTED IN THE WELL-BEING OF OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE HAVE A NEARLY $1 BILLION BUDGET, THIS ONE, THIS, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT THAT FUND BALANCE IS SO SMALL TO THE WORK WE DO.

BUT IT IS SO IMPORTANT, I THINK, THAT THIS BALANCE IS SMALL, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY IT'S CRITICAL TO THE LIFE OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

AND SO WHEN I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WE WE APPROVED A MOTION EARLIER ON, YOU KNOW, ROOFING PARTS AND REPLACEMENTS, AND WE HAD A NINE PAGE SPREADSHEET ON HOW MUCH EVERY LITTLE THING COST ON THERE DOWN TO LIKE FLASHING THAT PER LINEAR FOOT.

AND IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR CHARTER SCHOOL PARTNERS HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO THE LEVEL OF DETAIL OF WHAT'S INCLUDED IN THAT 25%.

HOLD BACK. AND SO I'M, I'M ADAMANTLY RELUCTANT OR ACTUALLY, I WON'T SUPPORT ANYTHING UNLESS WE HAVE FULL DISCLOSURE AS TO WHAT THAT'S GOING TO.

IMPLICATE THEM IN THEIR OWN BUDGET PROCESS.

OR WE JUST PUT THE COMPLETE PAUSE ON THERE.

SO I WILL SUPPORT MISS ALLEN'S MOTION, BECAUSE I THINK IT'LL BUY EVERYBODY MORE TIME.

AND I THINK THE STATE MADE A MISTAKE IN THIS REGARD.

I THINK OUR DELEGATION WOULD SUPPORT US IN THIS.

I WOULD I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE COUNTY COUNCIL, BUT I THINK JUST GENERALLY I THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIND THE MONEY.

MR. J. OH.

THANK YOU. I I DON'T DOUBT THE STATEMENT THAT THE THE LAW MAY HAVE BEEN APPLIED AND CAME DOWN AND COULD HAVE COME DOWN A DIFFERENT WAY, BUT I WILL SHARE THAT.

LOOKING AT THE MOTION.

IT DOESN'T TO GO FROM LAST YEAR, THE NEXT YEAR WITH NO CHANGE THAT THAT GOES AGAINST A SHARED BURDEN.

SO WHILE I WOULD SUPPORT A REDUCTION OF THE AMOUNT TO SOME LEVEL, BUT JUST JUST GOING COLD.

DOESN'T SHARE SHARE, SHARE THE BURDEN.

WE JUST INCREASED COST FOR SPORTS.

WE JUST CUT DOWN TRANSPORTATION.

WE JUST CUT DOWN. WE'VE CUT DOWN SO MANY THINGS.

SO TO GO FROM JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, SAME AS LAST YEAR, IT DOESN'T SHARE THE BURDEN.

IT'S A SHARED BURDEN FOR THE COUNTY.

AND NOR DOES IT ALLOW THE SCHOOLS TO MOVE INTO A TRANSITION PERIOD AND DEAL WITH THEIR PREPARED FOR THE THE NEXT, NEXT CHANGE TO GO FROM, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE IT GO FROM 100% TO THE NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE SAME AS THIS YEAR IS JUST BE COLD.

SO IF ANYTHING, I WOULD SUPPORT A BUFFER ON THAT, BUT NOT A FULL 100%.

NO CHANGE IT WOULD BE.

I WOULDN'T BE SHARING THE SHARING THE BURDEN OR ALLOWING THEM TO PREPARE FISCALLY FOR A CHANGE GOING FORWARD.

I DO SUPPORT OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS.

I THINK THEY DO GREAT WORK.

BUT I THINK THIS, AGAIN, FOR US TO GET THROUGH THIS TIME FRAME HAS TO BE A SHARED BURDEN.

AND SO THIS IS NOT ONLY JUST THEM PART OF SHARING THE BURDEN, BUT ALSO FOLLOWING THE STATE LAW.

BUT I THINK A COLD NO SWITCH AT ALL WOULDN'T BE ALONG THOSE LINES.

SO I WOULD SUPPORT A BUFFER AMOUNT.

I WOULDN'T SUPPORT A FULL REMOVAL FROM THE CHANGE.

DID. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO GET.

FEEDBACK FROM MRS. WELL, I MEAN, CURRENTLY ON THE CURRENT MOTION, BUT I CAN I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

DO WE HAVE I THINK THERE WAS AN AMOUNT FOR IS THERE AN AMOUNT WHERE WE CAN HAVE, HAVE A BUFFERED AMOUNT WHERE IT'S NOT JUST COLD, NOT TAKEN, BUT BUFFERED BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE A A FULL SUPPORT IS A FULL, YOU KNOW, NO SHARED BURDEN.

SO I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A BURDEN SHARED, IF ANYTHING.

BUT THAT'S JUST FOR THIS MOTION CURRENTLY.

I WOULDN'T SUPPORT THIS CURRENT MOTION BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE IT JUST GOES TO NOT ADDING ANY, ANY COST.

MISS GALLAGHER. THANK YOU.

I WASN'T SURE IF MISS CLAYBAUGH WAS RUNNING NUMBERS THERE.

[03:15:03]

SO. I.

CONCUR WITH MR. JAY IN SEVERAL RESPECTS HERE.

I THINK THAT AS WE'VE MOVED THROUGH THIS BUDGET PROCESS, WE'VE HAD TO REALLY CONSIDER THE WAYS IN WHICH WE'RE MEETING ALL OF OUR STUDENTS NEEDS.

AGAIN, MAY 15TH, WE MADE SOME REALLY DIFFICULT DECISIONS THAT MANY STUDENTS AREN'T EVEN FEELING QUITE YET BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT MOVED INTO THE NEW SCHOOL YEAR WHERE WE'VE HAD TO ELIMINATE CLASSES, RESHUFFLE POSITIONS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL IS GOING TO FEEL THE IMPACT OF THESE DECISIONS.

MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT BY THE TIME WE COME BACK TO SCHOOL IN AUGUST.

AND SO WHILE I ALSO SUPPORT OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, THESE ARE FCPS STUDENTS.

THEY ARE CPS STAFF.

THEY DESERVE THE RESOURCES AND INNOVATIVE APPROACHES TO EDUCATION THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR STUDENTS DESERVES.

BUT I THINK TO MR. JAY'S POINT, AS WE'RE MAKING THESE CONSIDERATIONS AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD.

UNFORTUNATELY, WE CANNOT MEET EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE UNIQUE NEEDS THAT WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO MEET.

WE HAD CONVERSATIONS LAST YEAR ABOUT EXPANDING OUR OFFERINGS FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION, AND HOW WE MEET MORE OF OUR STUDENTS NEEDS AND BUDGETARILY.

THAT IS SIMPLY NOT THE THE PLACE THAT WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS MOTION.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS, THOUGH, JUST IN TERMS OF THE VARIANCE BY SCHOOL THAT YOU'VE LAID OUT.

SO THERE IS A BIGGER IMPACT, FOR EXAMPLE, ON FCS AND MVM PIECES IN TERMS OF THAT VARIANCE.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THERE'S SUCH A BIG DIFFERENCE? ABSOLUTELY. SO IT HAS TO DO WITH YOUR STUDENT DEMOGRAPHICS.

5234 SAYS THAT YOU ARE TO PROVIDE FUNDING BASED UPON THE STUDENTS THAT ARE ENROLLED IN YOUR SCHOOLS.

SO I THINK IF YOU'LL RECALL, I FORGET WHAT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION I PROVIDED IT.

AND ACTUALLY IN THE ONE PAGE IT'S THAT I PROVIDED TO THE BOARD.

AND THEN IT'S ALSO AN ATTACHMENT TO THE TO THE TO THE.

TODAY'S ITEM IS THAT IF YOU HAVE AN ENROLLMENT THAT IS DOES NOT HAVE A FAR, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING UPON YOUR IT DEPENDS UPON YOUR NUMBER OF STUDENTS WHO RECEIVE FREE AND REDUCED MEALS.

IT DEPENDS UPON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS YOU HAVE WHO ARE ML.

IT DEPENDS. AND SO THAT SO THAT CHANGES.

IT'S A VERY DIFFERENT WAY TO LOOK AT FUNDING FOR SCHOOLS.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE 5234.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.

AND IT'S TRACKING THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, WE DID LAST YEAR TO SEE WHERE WE WERE, AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING IT THIS YEAR TO SEE HOW AS WE'RE MAKING CHANGES AND LOOKING AT IT BECAUSE IT THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF YOUR SCHOOLS WILL DICTATE YOUR FUNDING.

SO EVERY SCHOOL AND IT'S WE THINK ABOUT IT KIND OF AS A LAYER CAKE.

EVERY SCHOOL RECEIVES THE BASE FOUNDATION FUNDING AND THAT'S A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION.

AND THEN DEPENDING UPON THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF YOUR SCHOOL, THE LAYER CAKE CONTINUES TO HAPPEN.

SO IF YOU HAVE A SCHOOL OF SIMILAR POPULATIONS, I THINK THE EXAMPLE THAT I SHOWED TO YOU WAS A SCHOOL OF BASICALLY THE SAME ENROLLMENT, BUT THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS WERE VERY DIFFERENT.

YOU COULD HAVE A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION OF $8,000 VERSUS A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION OF $13,000.

AND IT'S ABOUT THOSE DEMOGRAPHICS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE FOUNDATION OF THE BLUEPRINT FOR MARYLAND'S FUTURE IS THAT THEY WANT TO PROVIDE RESOURCES, AND THEY WANT TO FOLLOW THE STUDENTS.

AND THE WAY THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN TO DO IT ON THE FISCAL SIDE IS TO USE THEIR FUNDING FORMULAS AND TO SAY THAT THAT'S HOW YOU SHOULD REPORT YOUR STAFF, HOW YOU SHOULD FUND YOUR SCHOOLS.

SO THAT'S WHY YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A DIFFERENCE.

SO IT REALLY THAT'S WHAT THE BREAKDOWN REALLY SHOWS.

AND WHEN I PICKED ON THE ONE SHEET THAT I DID AS THE ADDITION, AND ON THE SECOND SIDE OF THAT SHEET, I TRIED TO FIND SCHOOLS THAT WERE OF SIMILAR SIZE SO THAT WE WOULD SEE, OH, THIS SCHOOL IS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THE SAME RANGE AND TOTAL STUDENT ENROLLMENT.

BUT WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS DO IN CHANGING YOUR PER PUPIL ALLOCATION.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 300 KIDS AND THE PER PUPIL ALLOCATION IS 10,000 VERSUS 12,000, THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF FUNDING DIFFERENCE.

[03:20:01]

AND I WILL BE SHARING OUR TIERED STAFFING FORMULA, BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR SCHOOLS ARE JUST STARTING TO LOOK AT IT, THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING INTO OUR TIERED STAFFING FORMULA AND GOING, OKAY, HOW DO WE MAKE DIFFERENT CUTS? BECAUSE IF THERE ARE IF THERE ARE SCHOOLS THAT HAVE SIGNIFICANT POPULATIONS THAT WOULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL FUNDING, WHAT ADDITIONAL SUPPORT SHOULD WE BE PROVIDING TO MEET THAT 75%? AND WE HAVE SCHOOLS WITHIN FCPS WHO DIDN'T MEET THE 75%.

AND THEY'RE SCHOOLS THAT ARE STATISTICALLY OUTLIERS IN REGARDS TO THEIR VARIOUS DEMOGRAPHIC POPULATIONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT AS CUT AND DRY AS IT ONCE WAS.

YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT THE FORMULA IS ESTABLISHED NOW FOR OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS IS WE TAKE ALL THE APPROVED EXPENDITURES.

WE HAVE SOME THINGS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, THEY SUBTRACT, WE ADD, WE AND THEN WE USE THAT NUMBER TO COME UP WITH A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION.

AND IT DOES NOT MATTER.

WHAT THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE.

IF YOU HAVE 377 KIDS AND THE PER PUPIL ALLOCATION, AND I THINK I'VE SHARED THAT WITH THE BOARD AND OF COURSE THE CHARTER SCHOOLS RECEIVE IT AS WELL. THAT SHEET OF THE PER PUPIL ALLOCATION IS THE SAME REGARDLESS OF THE SCHOOL, BECAUSE IT'S JUST BASED UPON EXPENDITURES.

IT'S NOT BASED UPON YOUR STUDENT POPULATION.

AND WE'RE FOR CPS FOR OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS HAVE USED OUR STAFFING FORMULA TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SUPPORTS.

THAT THAT IS AND THAT IS BEING FORCED NOW WITH THE BLUEPRINT.

MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHAT CONVERSATIONS, DISCUSSIONS, SUPPORT IS BEING PROVIDED IN COLLABORATION WITH OUR CHARTERS ON THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS DECISION.

SO WE MOVE FORWARD.

BUDGETARILY WE WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

I, MY TEAM AND MEMBERS FROM SASA.

THAT TEAM, WE MET WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, WITH THEIR PRINCIPALS AND ALSO WITH THEIR GOVERNING BOARDS.

WE MET TWICE.

WE'VE ACTUALLY DONE SOME THEY WE CREATED AN FAQ SO WE COULD PROVIDE WRITTEN INFORMATION AND HAVE PROVIDED EXAMPLES.

THIS IS A VERY DIFFERENT FUNDING FORMULA THAN WHAT THEY'RE USED TO.

SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, SAY IT'S GOING TO BE $3 FOR THIS OR $5.

WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SAY THE 25% IS ABOUT SUPPORTING YOUR SPECIAL ED.

IT'S ABOUT SUPPORTING THESE COSTS.

AND I'VE MIRRORED IT OFF OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED BY BALTIMORE COUNTY IN THEIR DEFENSE OF THEIR OF THE RULING. BUT IT HASN'T BEEN SPECIFIC.

AND A LOT OF IT IS BECAUSE WE NEED TO SEE WHAT SOME OF THE COSTS ARE, BECAUSE WE'VE DONE A BUYBACK WHEN IT'S JUST SIMPLY BEEN AN A PROPORTIONAL SHARE. AND NOW WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE ACTUAL COSTS ARE IN REGARDS TO THAT.

SO THERE IS WORK TO BE DONE.

AND THEN WE ACTUALLY ARE GOING TO REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE FORMULA ENDS UP BEING, WE WILL BE MEETING IN THE SUMMERTIME BECAUSE REGARDLESS OF THE FORMULA, THE CHARTER SCHOOLS WILL BE REQUIRED TO REPORT ON THE FIVE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FUNDING THAT EVERY SCHOOL THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT FUNDING FOR BY THE 15TH OF EVERY MONTH THAT IS REVIEWED.

AND FY 25 SETS YOUR BASELINE.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE IS A STICK WITH THIS.

IF WE DO NOT MEET THE 75% AT OUR SCHOOLS BY FUNDING CATEGORY, NOT IN AGGREGATE, BUT BY FUNDING CATEGORY, THE STATE CAN WITHHOLD FUNDING. AND IT IS.

AND WE SAID, WELL, OUR CHARTERS ARE SEMI-AUTONOMOUS.

THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT STAFFING FORMULA.

THEY DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY.

THAT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, RIGHT? THEY HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE STUDENTS.

WHAT IF THEY DON'T KNOW THEY'RE YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

THEY HAVE TO MEET AT THE EXACT SAME WAY.

SO WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THEM TO HELP THEM USE OUR ACCOUNT STRING SO THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL MEETING IT, BECAUSE WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

WE ALL. IF ONE SCHOOL IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

THE STICK IS FOR ALL OF US.

SO FORTUNATELY FY 25 IS OUR BASE YEAR.

FY 26 IS THE YEAR YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO SHOW IMPROVEMENT, AND FY 27 IS WHEN THE STICK COMES OUT.

SO WE DO HAVE A WAYS TO WORK THERE.

AND IT'S SOMETHING WE AS A FISCAL SERVICES TEAM ARE WORKING THROUGH OURSELVES.

AND FORTUNATELY WE HAVE GREAT PARTNERS WITHIN OUR LEAS.

OUR CFOS, WITHIN THE LEAS ARE A TIGHT KNIT GROUP.

WE MEET EVERY THURSDAY.

TOMORROW WE'RE IN PERSON FOR SIX HOURS, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THIS TOGETHER IN CONJUNCTION WITH MSDE AND AIB.

[03:25:07]

IN A SIMILAR VEIN AS THE DISCUSSION WE WERE JUST HAVING REGARDING RVP.

ARE THERE ARE THERE STAFFING IMPLICATIONS THAT? THAT THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED TONIGHT.

I THINK THAT CHARTERS AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. PRINCE IS HERE. THE CHARTERS HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT THEIR STAFFING.

I DO KNOW THAT THEY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'VE BEEN MAKING CHANGES QUITE YET.

IN REGARDS TO THAT.

SO I, I WILL SHARE THAT.

I WAS I'VE VISITED ALL FOUR CHARTER SCHOOLS, TWO LAST WEEK TO THIS WEEK AND TODAY ONE WAS SAYING DEPENDING ON THE FORM, DEPENDING ON THE FUNDING FORMULA, THEY MAY LOSE LIKE A SPANISH TEACHER.

SO. I MEAN, I WOULD HATE TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL WE'RE GOING TO WAIT TILL JUNE 12TH.

REALLY? I MEAN, IT'S JUST RESPECTFUL TO OUR STAFF IF WE CAN LET PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THEY WHERE THEY NEED TO LAND OR IF HR NEEDS TO FIND ADD PEOPLE TO THE LIST, WE SHOULD WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THAT TONIGHT.

YEAH, I WOULD CONCUR WITH WHAT DOCTOR DYSON SAID.

AND HAVING ALSO I HAVE NOT VISITED ALL OF THEM, BUT HAVING VISITED ONE LAST WEEK AS WELL.

THE OTHER PIECE THAT I KNOW YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE CHARTERS IS THAT SOME OF THEIR STAFFING IS SORT OF EMBEDDED IN THEIR CHARTER AGREEMENT, AND SO THE BOARD WOULD JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED THAT THERE MAY BE A DESIRE AND AN INTEREST OR A NEED TO, YOU KNOW, REOPEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, FOR EXAMPLE GOSH, WHERE WAS I THINK I WAS AT CAROL CREEK MONTESSORI LAST WEEK.

AND SO SOME OF THEIR CHARTER MODELING, YOU KNOW, HAS LIKE A TEACHER WITH AN AIDE IN A CLASS OF 30.

AND SO IF THEY IF THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THAT BECAUSE OF THE ADJUSTMENT, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO BE PREPARED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT REOPENING THOSE AGREEMENTS WITH THEM, BECAUSE IT SORT OF COULD CHANGE SOME OF THOSE, THOSE COMMITMENTS.

WELL, IN SOME OF THOSE AGREEMENTS HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STATE, CORRECT? CORRECT. SO NOT JUST FOR CPS, RIGHT? YEAH. I JUST WANTED BECAUSE I WANTED TO SHOW I WANT I THINK WE OWE THEM THE EXACT SAME RESPECT.

CORRECT. YES.

THERE THERE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE STAFFING IN THE SITUATION.

CORRECT. SO I HAD ANOTHER I HAD ANOTHER QUESTION.

I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT THIS EARLIER, ABOUT THE LETTERS THAT WE RECEIVED FROM OUR CHARTER LEADERSHIP AND FROM THE STATE ALLIANCE THAT SEEMED TO IMPLY THAT IT'S, IT'S AN IT'S AN AND IT'S MINIMUM FUNDING REQUIREMENT AND COMMENSURATE FUNDING.

AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THAT'S NOT THE CASE.

I AM CERTAINLY NOT AN ATTORNEY, AND IT IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT I DID SEND AS WE GOT IT IN THE DAY TO MR. BLEVINS TO REVIEW WHEN I HAVE SPOKEN TO MY COUNTERPARTS IN BALTIMORE COUNTY.

THAT IS, IT'S NOT AN AND IT IS THE 75%.

AND MY READING AND AGAIN, NOT AN ATTORNEY IS THAT THEY'RE SAYING THE 75% IS COMMENSURATE BECAUSE IT'S NEW AND DIFFERENT.

SO YES, THEY HAVE THE ARTICLE THAT HAD ESTABLISHED IT AND NOW THEY HAVE THIS HAS IN MY READING AGAIN HAS KIND OF CHANGED THE FOOTING.

I WILL SAY THIS, THE STATE BOARD MADE THE DECISION.

I IMAGINE THAT AS IT'S BEING IMPLEMENTED, AS WITH ALL THINGS BLUEPRINT, THERE'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE REFINEMENT.

THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

AND BUT NO, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I'VE REACHED OUT TO BALTIMORE CITY SINCE IT WAS THERE, SINCE IT WAS THEIR DECISION AND SAID, CAN YOU, CAN YOU HELP US? AND THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS WE'RE HAVING TOMORROW WITH OUR LITTLE SUBGROUP IS, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND HOW IS IT DIFFERENT? BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY STRICTLY FOLLOWING THE 75%.

IN MY UNDERSTANDING.

OKAY, I JUST WAS INTERESTED IN GETTING SOME CLARIFICATION OF WHY THAT'S EVEN PART OF THE LIKE.

IT SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE CLEAR, CLEARER IF THEY'D HAVE SAID MINIMUM FUNDING REQUIREMENT OF 75% AT THE DISCRETION OF EACH INDIVIDUAL.

LEA VERSUS ADDING THIS COMMISERATE FUNDING PARAGRAPH THAT JUST SEEMS TO MUDDY THE WATER.

I THINK ULTIMATELY FOR ALL SCHOOLS, THE MINIMUM FUNDING IS 75%.

[03:30:02]

AND THE CHARTER SCHOOLS BEING SLIGHTLY BEING DIFFERENT THAN THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS IN SOME WAYS IN REGARDS TO THAT FUNDING, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND AGAIN, I THINK WHEN I READ IT, IT I THOUGHT THAT THE STATE BOARD SPECIFICALLY SAID AND AGAIN, BASED UPON THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I HAD WITH THE FOLKS FROM BALTIMORE, THAT THAT WAS IT WAS ALMOST REPLACING THAT LANGUAGE.

BUT IT'S LEGALESE.

I AGREE. AND AND I THINK THERE'S I THINK THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS TO BE HAD.

WELL, WITH THAT, WITH THAT CLARIFICATION, AGAIN, BEING UP FRONT, I WILL NOT SUPPORT THE MOTION.

THE REASON BEING IS READING THE ROOM.

I THINK IT'S APPARENT THERE'S GOING TO BE A MOTION TO REVISIT OUR VPI.

I THINK THE MORE WE CONTINUE TO ADD BACK INTO THE BUDGET, JUST CONTINUES TO PAINT OURSELVES INTO A CORNER.

THAT THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE STAFFING QUESTION, BECAUSE IF IT WASN'T FOR SHOWING THEM THE RESPECT, I'D TABLE IT BECAUSE I JUST DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE ADDING ANOTHER MILLION.

AND THEN NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR VPI, WHICH IS VALID.

THESE PEOPLE CAME HERE TONIGHT.

I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WE'RE PAINTING OURSELVES INTO A CORNER WHERE WE'RE ADDING UP TO $4 MILLION BACK INTO OUR BUDGET, AND THE MONEY ISN'T THERE.

I I'D RATHER CHARGE OUR STAFF WITH UNCOVERING EVERY POSSIBLE POSSIBLE THING OUT THERE BETWEEN NOW AND THE 12TH, BUT NOT PRESSURE OURSELVES BY AFFIRMATIVELY ADDING 1 TO $4 MILLION BACK ONTO A BUDGET THAT WE HAVE ALREADY PAINFULLY MADE SOME SIGNIFICANT CUTS TO AREAS.

AND I, I THINK I APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION ABOUT BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T SEE THEY SEE THIS.

AND AGAIN, KUDOS TO OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY DO AMAZING WORK AND IT'S REFLECTED IN THEIR IN IN HOW OUR, OUR STUDENTS DO THEIR BUT WE DON'T SEE UNLESS YOU REALLY HUNT, WE DON'T SEE THE INDIVIDUAL FUNDING FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL SCHOOL AND THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE PUT ON THOSE SCHOOLS.

LET'S SAY WE MADE THAT DECISION TO INCREASE CLASS SIZE BY ONE.

IF THAT MEANS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL LOSES FOUR TEACHERS OR THREE TEACHERS AND A SPECIALIST, THAT MEANS WE CUT THEIR FUNDING BY POSSIBLY 3 TO $400,000.

AND PEOPLE DON'T SEE THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T PUT ALL THAT UP THERE.

SO PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT WHEN WE MADE THAT VOTE TO ADD ONE TWO CLASS SIZE, THAT REDUCED THE BUDGET OF EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR 70 SCHOOLS.

SO I JUST WANT PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS ISN'T IN A VACUUM WHERE WE'RE JUST PICKING ON CHARTER SCHOOLS.

EVERY ONE OF OUR SCHOOLS IS FEELING THE IMPACT OF DECISIONS WE MADE DURING THE LAST MEETING.

THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO TO MISS ALLEN.

JUST ONE SECOND. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE CHARTER SCHOOLS TO SEE MOST SCHOOLS HAVE THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS ON THERE ABOUT.

I'M NOT SEEING THAT ON THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

IS THAT BECAUSE THEY GET TO DECIDE HOW TO DO.

OKAY. SO I'M NOT SEEING ANY DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AS THE REGULAR SCHOOLS DO.

RIGHT. BUT THEY DO PROVIDE IT TO US IN THEIR REPORT.

SO WHICH IS ON BOARD DOCS.

AND THE DEMOGRAPHICS I USE ARE FROM THE STATE FUNDING INFORMATION.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS ALLEN.

SO I DID HAVE A QUESTION.

I THINK THAT I HAD PROPOSED THIS QUESTION OR HAD ASKED THIS QUESTION IN A PREVIOUS BOARD MEETING, BUT WOULD LIKE TO REVISIT IT AND ACTUALLY JUST ASK THAT MR. BLEVINS, RESPOND DIRECTLY TO THE BOARD WITH INFORMATION OR CLARIFICATION THAT HE HAS COMPLETELY EVALUATED ALL THE CURRENT AGREEMENTS. SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE WHERE WE ARE AS A BOARD IN THIS FUNDING FORMULA AND WHETHER OR NOT THERE IT POSSIBLY VIOLATES ANY OF THE EXISTING AGREEMENTS IN PLACE RIGHT NOW.

I THINK MR. BASS WAS NEXT.

YEAH, I THINK FIRST A QUESTION.

WHAT MR. ROSE WAS SAYING MAKES SENSE TO ME AROUND THE CHANGE IN IN RATIOS THAT ADDING ONE STUDENT PER CLASS CONNECTING OR MIRRORING WHAT WE'RE SEEING HERE WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

BUT I'D LIKE THAT TO BE ASSESSED EITHER BY MISS CLAYBAUGH OR DOCTOR DYSON ON WHETHER YOU WOULD SAY.

[03:35:05]

SO AND IN REGARD AND IT DEPENDS UPON THE SCHOOL.

IN OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS HOW THE STAFFING WOULD HAVE BEEN AFFECTED.

IN MOST OF OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, IT WAS ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO 2 TEACHERS THAT WERE REDUCED.

AT THE HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL, IT WAS MORE THAN THAT.

AND WE DO AND I, WE I DO HAVE A COMPARISON THAT SHOWED WHAT OUR STAFFING FORMULA WAS AND BY SCHOOL, THE NUMBER OF TEACHERS THAT THEY ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED AND WHAT THE NEW STAFFING FORMULA WAS.

AND I CAN CERTAINLY SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD.

YEAH. SO? WELL. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS YEAH.

BUT THEN TO BE SPECIFIC TO BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT IT WOULD ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY IF WE HAD A LISTING OF ALL I THINK 70 SCHOOLS IN CPS? WOULD WE SEE SIMILAR VARIANTS THAT WE SEE FOR THESE CHARTER SCHOOLS? AS OUR OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE MOVED TO THE 75% FORMULA, HOW WOULD THAT HOW WOULD THAT LOOK? SO IF IF YOU LOST TWO TEACHERS, THE BUDGETARY COST OF A TEACHER, THE BUDGETARY COST OF A TEACHER IS ABOUT $90,000.

SO IF YOU LOST TWO, THAT'S A REDUCTION OF $180,000 IF YOU LOST A BET.

NOW SOME LIKE AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL, THERE WAS A REDUCTION OF SPECIALISTS.

SO THE SPECIALISTS, THEY TEND TO BE FARTHER ALONG IN THEIR CAREER.

SO THEY TEND TO PROBABLY BE AN AVERAGE BUDGETARY COST OF ABOUT $110,000.

AND WHEN I SAY THESE NUMBERS, PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS SALARY AND FRINGES.

SO IT'S THE FULL COST OF THE POSITION, NOT SIMPLY SALARY.

SO AT A MIDDLE SCHOOL WHERE THEY LOST THREE TEACHERS AND A SPECIALIST.

SO THAT COULD BE 400 TO $500,000.

SO IT REALLY DEPENDS UPON THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE SCHOOLS.

AND AGAIN, IT DEPENDS UPON THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE SCHOOLS.

AND WE ARE WORKING TO UPDATE THE STAFFING FORMULA SO THAT IT BETTER REFLECTS THE 75%, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME SCHOOLS THAT OUR FRIENDS AT AIB WOULD SAY ARE OVER STAFFED BASED UPON THE WAY THAT WE DO OUR FORMULA.

I DON'T KNOW THAT OUR SCHOOLS WOULD AGREE WITH THAT, AND I THINK THAT'S ONE OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT.

HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT EVERY CHILD HAS ACCESS TO THE PROGRAMS THAT, YOU KNOW, AT THEIR SCHOOLS? YEAH. YEAH.

I MEAN, I'M UNLIKELY TO SUPPORT THE MOTION PARTIALLY.

YOU KNOW, AS OUR.

PARTIALLY AS OUR OTHER SCHOOLS HAVE MOVED TOWARDS THE 75% FORMULA.

BUT THIS IS PART OF WHY I WANTED TO FIRST HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON REMOTE VIRTUAL IN THIS VERY TIGHT BUDGET.

I. YEAH, I GUESS I DO COME BACK TO MR. JAY'S POINT AROUND SHARED PAIN AND IT'S IT'S THE.

YEAH, I WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S THE ELIMINATION OF GRADES THREE THROUGH EIGHT ON REMOTE VIRTUAL THAT I THINK IS NOT SHARED PAIN.

AND SO I GUESS IT'S TO SAY.

I GUESS IT'S TO SAY IT DOESN'T FEEL IT'S.

IT'S NOT. I'M NOT PROUD TO VOTE AGAINST MISS ALLAN'S MOTION, BUT IN THIS VERY TIGHT BUDGET, I'M.

I'M NOT ABLE TO PRIORITIZE KEEPING THE CHARTER SCHOOLS AT THE ORIGINAL FUNDING FORM OR THE.

YEAH, THE THE 100% FUNDING FORMULA.

MISS ALLEN. SO I JUST.

I THINK I'D WANT TO MAKE A POINT.

MAYBE SOME CLARIFICATIONS ON MAYBE SOME OF THE SAVINGS THAT I DON'T KNOW IF MY BOARD MEMBERS THINK ABOUT WHEN THEY THINK ABOUT CHARTER SCHOOLS.

WE DON'T PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

SO THAT'S A SAVINGS RIGHT THERE.

WE ALSO DON'T SUPPORT THEM IN ANY OF THEIR MAINTENANCE OR THEIR LEASES.

YOU KNOW, THE PAYMENTS FOR THAT TO MAINTAIN THEIR BUILDINGS AND FOR THEIR ACTUAL OCCUPANCY OF THOSE BUILDINGS.

SO I THINK THERE'S SAVINGS THAT ARE REALIZED WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT AREN'T ALWAYS OUT THERE FRONT AND CENTER WITH THE PUBLIC.

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ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE BOARD.

AND WE DID HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND LONG AGO.

SO I WILL NOW TURN IT OVER TO THE AUDIENCE.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK I HAVE TO REMIND YOU THE ITS COMMENTS ARE JUST ON THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME.

HELLO, MY NAME IS TARA DUNSMORE AND I AM THE PRESIDENT OF MCI.

MCI IS THE OPERATOR OF BOTH MONOCACY VALLEY MONTESSORI PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL AND CARROLL CREEK MONTESSORI PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOL.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THE MISUNDERSTANDINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SHARED HERE THIS EVENING.

THE FIRST IS THAT THE BLUEPRINT? I BELIEVE IT'S TWO.

DASH. I'M SORRY, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER OF THE BLUEPRINT RULING.

THAT RULING DID NOT REPLACE THE MARYLAND EDUCATION CODE NINE DASH 109, WHICH DISCUSSES COMMENSURATE FUNDING FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS AND WHAT THAT MARYLAND NINE DASH 109 DISCUSSES IS THAT COMMENSURATE FUNDING FOR CHARTER SCHOOLS INCLUDES NOT JUST DOLLARS AND CENTS, BUT ALSO ALL SERVICES PROVIDED TO ALL STUDENTS.

SO WITHIN THIS 25% FUNDING, THAT IS GOING TO BE WITHHELD FROM THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, THAT WOULD ASSUME THAT THE CHARTER SCHOOLS RECEIVE ALL OF THE SAME SERVICES FROM CPS THAT THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS RECEIVE.

BUT AS MISS ALLEN JUST POINTED OUT, WE DON'T RECEIVE MAINTENANCE FUNDING.

THAT'S JUST ONE OF MANY SERVICES THAT TRADITIONAL CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS, I'M SORRY TRADITIONAL STUDENTS RECEIVE IN A WAY THAT IS NOT COMMENSURATE WITH THE WAY THAT CHARTER SCHOOL STUDENTS RECEIVE.

THE LAW REQUIRES CHARTER SCHOOLS TO BE FUNDED AT A COMMENSURATE AMOUNT.

IT ALSO LIMITS THE NUMBER OF CATEGORIES OF FUNDING THAT CAN BE REQUIRED AS IN-KIND SERVICES TO SPECIAL EDUCATION AND PRE-KINDERGARTEN, ALL OTHER IN-KIND SERVICES AND BUYBACKS.

SO TECHNOLOGY, ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS, ALL OF THOSE PER PUPIL DOLLAR AMOUNTS THAT WERE SHOWN UP ON THE SCREEN EARLIER, EVERY ONE OF THOSE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SUBJECT TO A FAIR AND REASONABLE NEGOTIATION BETWEEN THE LEA AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL.

SO CURRENTLY, WE HAVE NOT BEEN INVITED TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY NEGOTIATIONS WITH M.C.P.S TO DISCUSS WHAT WITHIN THAT 25% WE ARE PAYING FOR, AND WE HAVE THE OPTION TO OPT OUT OF RECEIVING THOSE SERVICES IN LIEU OF THE FUNDING.

THAT IS THE STATE LAW.

AND. I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR THAT THE BALTIMORE CITY RULING EXPLICITLY STATES THAT THE BLUEPRINT TWO DASH, WHATEVER IT IS, DOES NOT REPLACE NINE DASH 109.

THEY STAND TOGETHER AND EQUALLY SO I JUST WANT TO BE VERY, VERY CLEAR WHEN I SAY THAT IF YOU PASS THE FUNDING FORMULA AS IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED TONIGHT, YOU WILL BE IN VIOLATION OF MARYLAND EDUCATION CODE NINE DASH 109, AND THE CHARTER SCHOOL OPERATORS OF FREDERICK COUNTY WILL APPEAL THAT TO THE STATE BOARD OF EDUCATION.

THANK YOU.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION.

MY NAME IS JESSICA CONSTANT.

I'M A PARENT OF A SCHOLAR AT FREDERICK CLASSICAL CHARTER SCHOOL AND THE TREASURER OF THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES FOR FCHS, AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY DEEP CONCERN REGARDING THE CURRENT PROPOSAL TO DECREASE FUNDING FOR OUR PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS.

OUR SCHOOLS CURRENTLY ALREADY OPERATE ON A SHOESTRING BUDGET AND SIMPLY CANNOT SURVIVE WITH LESS FINANCIAL SUPPORT.

CHARTER SCHOOLS IN FREDERICK COUNTY ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS THAT EDUCATE.

OVER 1200 FCPS STUDENTS, EMPLOY OVER 130 UNIONIZED FCPS STAFF MEMBERS, AND HAVE A COMBINED WAITLIST IN THE THOUSANDS.

THESE SCHOOLS PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN OUR EDUCATION SYSTEM BY OFFERING DIVERSE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT BENEFIT THE ENTIRE FREDERICK COUNTY COMMUNITY.

THE PROPOSED CUTS WILL HAVE DETRIMENTAL IMPACTS ON OUR SCHOOLS, THREATENING OUR VIABILITY.

WITHOUT ADEQUATE FUNDING, THESE SCHOOLS WILL WILL STRUGGLE TO MAINTAIN OUR PROGRAMS, RETAIN QUALIFIED STAFF, AND CONTINUE PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION THAT OUR STUDENTS, OUR CHILDREN, DESERVE.

THE LOSS OF THE SCHOOLS WOULD DISPLACE OVER 1200 CPS STUDENTS AND OVER 130 DEDICATED FCPS EMPLOYEES.

I URGE YOU TO RECONSIDER THIS PROPOSAL.

WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT SHARING THE PAIN ACROSS IN TRYING TO MANAGE THE BUDGET DEFICIT ACROSS THE VARIOUS SCHOOLS.

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WE DON'T. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR SCHOOLS, WE DON'T HAVE A SCHOOL LUNCH MONITOR, OUR PARENTS COME IN AND VOLUNTEER.

WE DON'T HAVE SPORTS, WE DON'T HAVE LIBRARY STAFF, WE DON'T HAVE MUSIC PROGRAMS. AND YET WE'RE STILL ABLE TO PROVIDE QUALITY EDUCATION TO ALL OF THE STUDENTS THAT ATTEND OUR SCHOOLS.

UNLIKE TRADITIONAL PUBLIC SCHOOLS, CHARTER SCHOOLS, WHICH ARE PUBLIC SCHOOLS, DO NOT RECEIVE THE SAME LEVEL OF OF SUPPORT FOR OUR FACILITIES.

SO A PART OF OUR PTA ALLOCATION, INSTEAD OF IT ALL GOING INTO THE CLASSROOM FOR THE STUDENTS, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO USE SOME OF THESE FUNDINGS TO PAY FOR OUR BUILDINGS.

A FEW WEEKS AGO, WE SAT IN THIS BOARD ROOM AND WATCHED AS YOU CAUTIOUSLY CONSIDERED SAVING FOURTH GRADE BAND.

JUST AS THE FOURTH GRADE BAND PROGRAM IS VITAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR STUDENTS, SO ARE THE UNIQUE EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE PROVIDED BY OUR PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS.

OUR PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS DESERVE THE SAME CAREFUL CONSIDERATION AND SUPPORT.

PLEASE TAKE ACTION TO PROTECT THE VIABILITY OF OUR PUBLIC CHARTER SCHOOLS.

RECOGNIZING THEIR IMPORTANCE TO OUR STUDENTS, OUR TEACHERS AND OUR COMMUNITY.

CONSIDER THE LONG TERM IMPACT OF THIS, OF THIS DECISION AND THE VALUE THAT THE SCHOOLS BRING TO THE EDUCATIONAL LANDSCAPE IN FREDERICK COUNTY.

THANK YOU. HI.

THANK YOU. I'M COURTNEY CROUSE.

MY TWO CHILDREN GO TO FREDERICK CLASSICAL AND I SERVE AS THE SECRETARY ON THE BOARD.

AND I WANT TO START BY, FIRST OF ALL, THANKING THE BOARD MEMBERS WHO HAVE COME INTO OUR BUILDING OVER THESE LAST COUPLE WEEKS WHO HAVE ACCEPTED THE INVITES FROM OUR SCHOLARS, DOCTOR DYSON, FOR BEING THERE TODAY SO THAT YOU REALLY CAN SEE THE EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FOR OUR SCHOLARS.

I HEAR THE IDEA OF THE SHARED BURDEN, AND I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE WILL HAVE TO GO BACK TO OUR BUDGETS AND ALSO MAKE DIFFICULT DECISIONS.

I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT PROPORTIONALITY OF WHAT WE ARE BEING ASKED TO CUT VERSUS WHAT THE SYSTEM AS A WHOLE IS CUTTING TO CLOSE THEIR GAP, IT'S NOT PROPORTIONATE.

SO WHILE YOU MAY SAY, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO ONLY LOSE, YOU KNOW, ONE TEACHER, WE ALREADY OPERATE WITH A REALLY SMALL STAFF.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE IMPACT THAT THAT WILL HAVE AND NOT COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES, BECAUSE WE ARE DIFFERENT AND WE'RE PROUD TO BE DIFFERENT IN THE COUNTY.

I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO REALLY THINK LOUD AND CLEAR ABOUT WHAT AND DO OUR RESEARCH ABOUT WHAT THE LAW SAYS AND SORT OF REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS BLANKET STATEMENT OF THE STATE LAW. WE KNOW OTHER COUNTIES ARE FUNDING THEIR CHARTER SCHOOLS ABOVE 75%.

75% IS NOT THE NUMBER THAT IS THE FLOOR.

WE SEE OTHER COUNTIES FUNDING AT 85%.

FULLY FUNDING OR LIKE MISS ALLEN HAS SAID, GIVING US A YEAR SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE SUSTAIN OPERATIONS.

THERE ARE CHARTER SCHOOLS IN THIS COUNTY THAT THIS WILL BE THEIR LAST YEAR, THIS UPCOMING SCHOOL YEAR.

IF THIS IS NOT FIGURED OUT, THESE STUDENTS WILL LOSE THEIR SCHOOL.

AND I EMPATHIZE WITH PROGRAMS BEING LOST.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KIDS, THEIR SCHOOLS, THEIR TEACHERS, THEIR COMMUNITY.

BEING LOST NEXT YEAR, AND WE FEEL LUCKY THAT WE HAVE FIVE YEARS AT FREDERICK CLASSICAL TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

BUT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A KINDERGARTNER, SO YOU'RE GOING TO SAY THAT SHE, AFTER GOING THERE FOR FIVE YEARS, IS GOING TO HAVE TO LOSE HER SCHOOL.

WE'RE GOING TO SHUT THE DOORS.

SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND GO BACK AND SAY WHAT IS EQUITABLE.

AND NOT JUST WHAT IS EQUAL, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING TO CHARTER SCHOOLS IS NOT EQUITABLE.

LASTLY, WITH MY LAST REMAINING FEW SECONDS, I'M JUST GOING TO ECHO HER POINT.

JESSICA'S POINT. WE ALREADY DO A LOT WITH LESS.

WE HAVE A LOT OF VOLUNTEERS.

THEY RUN OUR LIBRARY. OUR STUDENTS DON'T GET LIBRARY TIME IF PARENTS DON'T COME IN AND VOLUNTEER.

PARENTS KEEP OUR LUNCHROOM SAFE.

PARENTS MONITOR RECESS, PARENTS SUBSTITUTE CLASSES.

WE ARE REALLY SHOWING THE VALUE THAT WE BRING TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE'RE A SCHOOL WHERE PARENTS ARE VERY HEAVILY INVOLVED AND OUR KIDS ARE BETTER FOR IT.

SO THANK YOU.

THANK. OKAY.

NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

MY NAME IS ALICIA YOAKAM.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF SABILLASVILLE ENVIRONMENTAL SCHOOL.

SO I APPRECIATE THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THAT JUST THREE YEARS AGO, WE WERE HERE ADVOCATING TO OPEN A CHARTER SCHOOL, AND NOW HERE WE ARE ADVOCATING TO TRY TO KEEP IT OPEN AGAIN.

WE WE'VE SHOWN EVEN THOUGH THE ODDS WERE AGAINST US.

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WE'VE THE ODDS HAVE BEEN AGAINST US.

BUT IN JUST TWO YEARS OF BEING OPEN, WE'VE SHOWN THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL.

AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT WE CAN OFFER TO STUDENTS ACROSS FREDERICK COUNTY.

BUT WE MAY NOT GET THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE IF YOU CHOOSE TO KEEP THE 25%, WE KNOW THAT WE MOST LIKELY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO RENEW OUR CHARTER AS WE WORK ON THAT AGREEMENT THIS YEAR. PEOPLE ARE TRAVELING NEAR AND FAR TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL FOR OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY CAN'T GET AT TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.

AND JUST LIKE OTHERS HAVE SAID, WE ALREADY ARE DOING MORE FOR LESS BECAUSE WE DO NOT RECEIVE FACILITIES FUNDING.

WE HAVE BUILDINGS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN AND WE'RE DOING ALL OF THAT FROM FUNDING THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE OUT OF THE CLASSROOM, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT CURRENTLY.

SO I, JUST LIKE THE OTHERS HAVE SAID, I THINK WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE ON A LOT OF THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT A LOT.

THERE'S STILL A LOT FROM THE BLUEPRINT THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY OR WAS UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.

AND SO WE REALLY NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING CORRECTLY SO THAT CHARTER SCHOOLS DO NOT HAVE TO CLOSE.

WE'VE BEEN ASKING, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK OF MISS CLAYBAUGH AND HER STAFF.

BUT WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR WHAT IS IN THAT 25%? WHAT ARE THOSE ITEMIZED LISTS? SO WHEN YOU'RE ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE WHAT STAFF DO WE HAVE TO CUT OR WHAT CUTS ARE WE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE AS CHARTER SCHOOLS? WE REALLY CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE DETAILS OF WHAT WILL BE IN THAT 25% THAT YOU'RE KEEPING.

AND SO WE REALLY CAN'T EVEN FINALIZE OUR BUDGETS TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF DECISIONS WE HAVE TO MAKE.

BUT WE AS OTHER THE OTHER SPEAKERS HAVE SAID WE ARE ALREADY OPERATING ON A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF STAFF.

SO THERE IS REALLY NO OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO CUT STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE TEACHER FOR ONE GRADE.

SO I JUST ASK THAT YOU REALLY CONSIDER YOUR DECISION TONIGHT AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE REALLY PUTTING THOUGHT INTO THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS DECISION, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE ARE THE CINDERELLA STORY.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT SABILLASVILLE IS NOT READY TO LEAVE THE BALL JUST YET, SO THANK YOU.

HI, MY NAME IS JESSICA LAWRENCE.

I AM A BOARD MEMBER FOR MSI.

I AM A PARENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR MY KID'S SCHOOL, WHICH IS MVM MONOCACY VALLEY MONTESSORI.

SORRY IF I GET EMOTIONAL.

I'M JUST AN EMOTIONAL PERSON, BUT I'LL GET THROUGH IT.

I WANTED TO BRING FORWARD SOMETHING THAT WE, AS CHARTER SCHOOLS HAVE SENT ALL OF YOU BOARD MEMBERS, THE ACTUAL STATE RULING FROM THE MARYLAND STATE BOARD ABOUT THIS NEW BLUEPRINT FUNDING FORMULA, WHICH IS MARYLAND STATUTE OR THE EDUCATIONAL STATUE STATUTE 5-234.

THE FIRST SENTENCE THAT REFERS TO THESE TWO DIFFERENT STATUTES, THE 9-109 AND 5234, SAYS RATHER THAN VIEWING THE TWO STATUTES IN CONFLICT WITH EDUCATIONAL 9-19 CONTROLLING OVER EDUCATIONAL 5-234 WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS THE BLUEPRINT.

WE VIEW THEM AS DISTINCT SCHOOL FUNDING REQUIREMENTS THAT OPERATE TOGETHER AS PART OF A CONSISTENT AND HARMONIOUS BODY OF LAW.

SO THAT RIGHT THERE SHOULD STRESS TO YOU HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS, THAT THEY ARE SEEN AS TOGETHER.

THE 75% IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL.

IT SHOULD BE SEEN AS INCONGRUENT WITH 9-19.

WE ARE CHARTER SCHOOLS THAT ARE OPERATING, AS YOU'VE HEARD ON THE MINIMUM.

AS A PARENT, I VOLUNTEER MY TIME ON THE BOARD.

I ALSO VOLUNTEER MY TIME IN OTHER WAYS.

I BRING THINGS INTO THE STUDENTS CLASSROOM.

I CUT THINGS UP FOR TEACHERS SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO SPEND THE TIME DOING THAT.

I DO WHATEVER I CAN TO HELP MAKE IT EASIER ON OUR STAFF, BECAUSE THEY ARE OPERATING WITH THE BARE MINIMUM, BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO WITH THAT 75% OR LESS.

WE HAVE TO PAY FOR NEW BUILDINGS.

WE ARE CURRENTLY OPERATING AND SHARING CLASSROOMS. OUR SPECIALS DO NOT HAVE THEIR OWN DESIGNATED SPOT AT THIS MOMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST FINALLY GOTTEN INTO A NEW BUILDING AND WE HAVE COME ACROSS LOTS OF SETBACKS, INCLUDING THIS VARIANCE WHERE WE ARE NOT SURE, LIKE THERE'S THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH US BEING ABLE TO PAY IT DOWN THE LINE. YES, WE ARE PRIVILEGED BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN CUTTING CORNERS AND WE HAVE BEEN SCRIMPING AND WE HAVE BEEN SAVING AND WE HAVE BEEN RELYING ON OUR VOLUNTEERS.

SO WE HAVE A FEW YEARS UNTIL THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN SAVING UP FOR THIS, OUR OWN BUILDING, NOT THAT WE'RE RENTING, THAT HAS ASBESTOS TILES WITH A LANDLORD THAT WILL NOT FIX THINGS.

AND WE HAVE PLUMBING ISSUES.

EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR OUT OF OUR OWN POCKET BECAUSE WE HAVE CRAPPY LANDLORDS, WE HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN INTO OUR OWN PLACE THAT IS ACTUALLY RELIABLE,

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AND FOR MY NEURODIVERGENT CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY THRIVE LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN.

SORRY. THANK YOU.

HI, MY NAME IS FINLEY LESAR.

I GO TO FREDERICK HIGH SCHOOL.

CHARTER SCHOOL. WE ALREADY DO MORE WITH LESS, INCLUDING VOLUNTEERS WITH IN THE LIBRARY, A LUNCHROOM, A MONITORS.

GRANT FUNDING.

LITERACY SPECIALIST.

WE WE WE ARE DOING MORE AND LESS WITH WITHOUT PERFORMING.

OUTPERFORMING. OTHER SCHOOLS.

THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING.

MY NAME IS SHELBY GREEN AND I AM A PARENT OF A KINDERGARTNER AND SERVE AS THE SECRETARY FOR THE SABILLASVILLE ENVIRONMENTAL CHARTER.

I FEEL LIKE WE CAN PROBABLY FEEL THE ADRENALINE IN THE ROOM.

AND YOU'VE HEARD THE LEGAL SIDE OF THINGS.

YOU'VE HEARD THE EMPATHETIC SIDE OF THINGS.

ULTIMATELY, WE ARE SHARING THE BURDEN.

MR. JAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR CONCERNS, AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE TOSSED AROUND SOME NUMBERS AROUND THE 250,000 MARK THAT SOME SCHOOLS ARE LOSING BY ADDING STUDENTS TO CLASSROOMS, AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THAT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE PART OF THEIR ENTIRE BUDGET AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR OURS.

I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER NEGOTIATING.

LIKE MR. JAY SAID, AT LEAST A PARTIAL OR A ONE YEAR AS THE MOTION STANDS.

JUST FOR SIMPLE CLARIFICATION ON WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, AND ALSO CONSIDER GIVING US THE CHANCE TO CONSIDER MAYBE ADDING MORE STUDENTS TO BEING EQUAL AND SYNONYMOUS TO THE REST OF THE COUNTY, AS YOU'VE MADE THOSE DECISIONS ALREADY.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I KNOW THAT YOU PROBABLY FEEL LIKE YOU'RE ON TRIAL THIS EVENING, AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR CONSIDERATION, AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A SEAT THAT I WANT TO BE IN.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND I THINK WE JUST HAD THE ONE STUDENT SPEAK.

BUT IF YOU WOULD COME UP AND WE HAVE A LITTLE THING FOR YOU THERE.

YES. I THINK WE MET AT CLASSICAL CHARTER WITH TALKING ABOUT OUR DEI DAYS, SO.

YES. OKAY.

THAT IS ALL I SEE FROM THE AUDIENCE.

THEN I HAVE TO WAKE MYSELF UP AND SAY, NO, WE HAVE HAD A MOTION.

AND THE MOTION IS TO.

I KNOW IT WAS TO PAUSE.

THANK YOU. KEEP IT AT THE 100%.

PAUSE ON THE 25% FOR ONE YEAR.

AT A COST OF ONE POINT.

ZERO FOUR. THANK YOU.

THE NUMBER IS THERE ON THE SCREEN.

SO CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO WAIT FOR THE MOTION TO GO THROUGH OR NOT.

BUT THEN I WAS ASKED NOW SO I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS ABOUT FUNDING THAT.

HALF THE AMOUNT.

AND THEN FOR LIKE A, I THINK I THOUGHT I ASKED BEFORE ABOUT ABOUT VARYING AMOUNTS.

I GOT ONE 1%, 80%.

I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT OTHER AMOUNTS.

I KNOW, LIKE WE TAKE IT DOWN BY HALF.

IT'D BE 600,000.

AND YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD FIND A COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU COULD YOU COULD FIND THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT BEFORE.

BUT I.

BUT I'LL BE INTERESTED TO HEAR, LIKE, YOU KNOW DIFFERENT AMOUNTS FOR LIKE A BUFFER AND BASED ON THIS BOAT GOES THROUGH.

SO IF WE WERE TO MOVE TO 80%, THAT WOULD REQUIRE AN INCREASE OF 779 700,007 90.

SO THAT'S WHERE THAT THAT WOULD INCREASE.

WHAT WOULD INCLUDE.

TO ANY AMOUNTS BELOW THAT? NO. WELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE THAT THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 75 AND THE 80%.

I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK AT 80, 78%, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.

BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE A LITTLE TIME TO DO A CALCULATION.

IN REGARDS IN REGARDS TO THAT INFORMATION.

YEAH, I'D BE OPEN TO HEARING THAT IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT NOW.

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SO OUR CURRENT FORMULA IS DIFFERENT THAN THIS FORMULA.

THERE. THEY ARE NOT AN APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON.

THEY ARE APPLES TO GRAPEFRUIT.

AND THEY AND AND THE REASON IS, YOU KNOW, FOR US, THE FORMULA THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE HAS BEEN VETTED THROUGH THE STATE.

IT'S ALSO BEEN THROUGH LITIGATION.

AND WE'VE AND WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS FORMULA.

SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WE WERE.

HOPING THAT IT'S EITHER ONE OR THE OTHER, BECAUSE WE FELT THE OTHER ONE WAS VETTED TOO.

NOW WHAT THE COMMENTER SAID IS CORRECT.

SOME OF THERE THERE ARE ONLY FIVE CHARTER OR FIVE COUNTIES, I BELIEVE IN MARYLAND THAT HAVE CHARTERS, AND THERE IS SOME DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THAT THEY'RE DOING THEIR FUNDING.

SO BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE.

IF WE WERE GOING TO DO SOMETHING, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR CONSISTENCY, FOR OUR CHARTERS AND FOR OUR FISCAL SERVICES TEAM TO EITHER CHOOSE THE CURRENT PPA OR TO DO THE 75%.

SO 80 WOULDN'T BE WOULDN'T BE VIABLE.

YOU'RE SAYING WE WE COULD LOOK AT THE 80%, BUT I, I, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE IN A PLACE WHERE US, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE CONCERNS THEY'VE HAD ARE JUST CLEARLY DEFINING THE 25%.

ARE WE CLEARLY DEFINING THE 20%? DOES THAT PUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN IS THAT IF WE'RE GOING OUTSIDE WHAT WE'VE SEEN AS THE STATE RULING, ARE WE CREATING A PRECEDENT? I DON'T I AGAIN, I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.

AND TO THAT QUESTION, MR. BLAIR WAS IN THE ROOM BECAUSE IT'S NOT OKAY.

NO, HE ISN'T. THAT QUESTION I WILL QUESTION THAT WERE BROUGHT UP EARLIER ABOUT THE LEGAL LEGALITY.

WELL, I WILL SAY THIS.

WHEN WE LOOKED AT THIS, THE FORMULA, WE FOLLOWED THE FIVE, TWO, THREE FOR FUNDING AND THE FIVE, TWO, THREE FOR FUNDING DOESN'T INCLUDE ALL THE FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S NOT SUBJECT TO FIVE, TWO, THREE FOUR IS THE TRANSPORTATION FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVE.

BUT BECAUSE IN THE PAST WE'VE LITIGATED ON TRANSPORTATION, WE DID A TRANSPORTATION, AND TRANSPORTATION ISN'T PROVIDED AS A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION FROM THE STATE.

IT'S JUST PROVIDED AS A LUMP SUM.

SO WE DID A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION BASED UPON THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS WE TRANSPORT.

ORIGINALLY WHEN WE DISCUSSED THE FORMULA, I HAD SET IT UP TO DO BASED UPON OUR TOTAL FOUNDATION ENROLLMENT.

BUT AFTER THINKING ABOUT IT AND HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CHARTERS AND WITH WITH MY STAFF, WE FELT, OH, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO LOOK AT THE PER PUPIL, THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS TRANSPORTED TO CREATE A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS MORE EQUITABLE AND MORE FAIR.

THE OTHER THING FOR FCPS, AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER CHARTER SCHOOLS OR OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE CHARTER SCHOOLS, WE RECEIVE ABOVE MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT OR WE WE RECEIVE A MAINTENANCE OF EFFORT.

SO WE RECEIVE ABOVE THE LOCAL SHARE FOR COUNTY.

THERE ARE SOME COUNTIES WHO ARE ONLY FUNDED BY LOCAL SHARE.

SO YOU GET A FORMULA FROM THE STATE.

IT SAYS THIS IS YOUR STATE PORTION OF THE PPA, AND THIS IS THE LOCAL PORTION OF THE PPA.

FOR FCPS. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.

WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE $133 MILLION ABOVE THAT PER PUPIL ABOVE THAT LOCAL SHARE.

SO WHAT WE DID WITH THAT IS WE CREATED A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION WITH THAT FUNDING AT THE 98%.

SO THAT FOLLOWS THE 9-1039I CAN'T REMEMBER.

BUT THAT FOLLOWS THE COMMENSURATE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT 5234 FUNDING THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THAT.

SO WE FOLLOWED THAT 98% RULE WITH THAT.

SO IT IS KIND OF A MIXED FORMULA BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A LOCAL SHARE COUNTY.

THANK YOU. CAN I JUST ASK A CLARIFYING QUESTION? SO YOU CHARTER SCHOOLS ARE ACTUALLY RECEIVING A LUMP SUM OF TRANSPORTATION FUNDING, BUT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO USE THAT FOR TRANSPORTATION. CORRECT.

SO IN OUR PART OF THEIR FUNDING.

SO IN OUR CURRENT CALCULATION, WHICH IS BASED UPON EXPENSES, IT'S NOT BASED UPON REVENUES.

YES, THEY RECEIVE CLASS NINE FUNDING NOW BECAUSE THEY RECEIVE THEY DO NOT RECEIVE SPECIAL EDUCATION FUNDS.

WE DO TRANSPORT SOME SPECIAL EDUCATION STUDENTS FOR NON PUBLICS.

SO THERE IS A SLIGHT MODIFICATION TO CLASS NINE FOR THE IT'S ABOUT IT ENDS UP BEING ABOUT 27% OF YOUR BUDGET IS SPENT ON SPECIAL EDUCATION TRANSPORTATION. AND SO THERE'S A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN WHAT THEY RECEIVE IN REGARDS TO THAT.

BUT NO, THEY RECEIVE CLASS NINE NOT CLASS ONE BECAUSE THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE COMMENSURATE FUNDING.

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SO THAT IS ALL OF OUR CENTRAL OFFICE SERVICES.

IT INCLUDES CLASS TWO.

CLASS THREE, WHICH IS ALL OF YOUR INSTRUCTIONAL SALARIES, CLASS FOUR AND FIVE, NOT CLASS SIX BECAUSE WE PROVIDE THE SPECIAL EDUCATION, NOT CLASS SEVEN BECAUSE WE PROVIDE PER PUPIL PERSONNEL SERVICES, NOT CLASS INCLUDES CLASS EIGHT WHICH IS HEALTH SERVICES.

CLASS NINE, A PORTION OF IT FOR GENERAL ED TRANSPORTATION, CLASS TEN, WHICH IS OUR CLASS FOR OPERATIONS.

THERE IS A REDUCTION FOR THAT BASED UPON THE LEASE PAYMENT THAT WE PAY FOR THIS BUILDING AND ANOTHER BUILDING.

AND THEN OUR CLASS 11, WHICH IS ALL OF YOUR MAINTENANCE FUNDING, CLASS 12, WHICH IS THE FIXED CHARGES CLASS.

CLASS 14 IS COMMUNITY SERVICES.

AND SO THAT IS A VERY SMALL IT'S BASICALLY USED FOR OUR USE OF FACILITIES.

CLASS 15 WHICH IS CAPITAL.

THEY RECEIVE THEIR PROPORTION OF THAT AS WELL.

THAT IS HOW OUR CURRENT FUNDING LOOKS.

AND IT REALLY LOOKS AT EXPENSES.

IT DOESN'T LOOK AT REVENUES.

AND I WILL SAY THIS WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE 75% FOR OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS, WE LOOK AT EVERY CLASS FOR THAT AS WELL.

SO THE CUSTODIAL SERVICES THAT WE RECEIVE OUT OF CLASS TEN, THOSE GO INTO LOOKING AT THE 75%, AND WE WOULD NOT MAKE IT TO THE 75% WITHOUT LOOKING AT CUSTODIAL SERVICES, UTILITY COSTS WHEN THEY DO MAINTENANCE REPAIRS AT OUR SCHOOLS, SPECIFICALLY, THOSE COSTS ARE ASSIGNED TO THE SCHOOLS.

THEY USE THE SCHOOL DEPT ID TO DO THAT.

WE STARTED DOING THAT PROBABLY SIX YEARS AGO WHEN THE EVERY STUDENT SUCCEEDS ACT WAS ESTABLISHED, WHERE YOU HAD TO SHOW A PER PUPIL ALLOCATION WITH THE FEDERAL FUNDING, AND WHICH SET US UP WELL FOR THIS FIVE, TWO, THREE FOUR AS WE'RE WORKING THROUGH IT IN THE BLUEPRINT.

SO ONE SMALL QUESTION.

I MENTIONED EARLIER ABOUT LIKE IF A CHARTER SCHOOL WAS GOING TO LIKE GO TO A STATE, IT WOULD BE A SHARED FAILURE AND THAT WE WOULD LIKE SUPPORT THEM IN THAT WAY.

COULD YOU SPEAK MORE TO THAT WHICH YOU MENTIONED EARLIER? SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE IF THERE WAS A REGULATION, IT WAS ON ALL OF US.

WAS THAT TOWARDS.

I DON'T IT'S WHEN MR..

WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING ABOUT THE COMPLIANCE TO THE 7525.

AND IF ONE SCHOOL IS OUT OF COMPLIANCE FOR FCPS, WE'RE ALL OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

ABSOLUTELY. SO ON A MONTHLY BASIS, WE'VE BEEN DOING IT NOW.

BUT IN REALITY, WE'LL BE STARTING FOR FISCAL YEAR 25.

WE HAVE TO REPORT OUR BUDGET AND EXPENDITURES BY THE FUNDING PROGRAMS TO THE STATE.

WE DO A FILE UPLOAD BY THE 15TH OF EVERY MONTH, AND WE HAVE TO PROVE THAT WE HAVE SPENT 75% OF OUR FUNDING AT THE SCHOOL LEVEL BY FUNDING PROGRAM, BY SCHOOL.

AND IF WE DON'T ALL.

AND SO IF YOU RECEIVE PRE-K FUNDING AT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PRE-K PROGRAM OR YOUR PRE-K FUNDING, IT DOESN'T EQUAL THAT 75%. THAT CAN BE A FINDING.

AND SO EVENTUALLY NOT IN 25, BECAUSE THAT'S OUR BASE YEAR.

26 IS A YEAR FOR US TO SEEK IMPROVEMENT.

AND THEN 27 IS WHEN IT STARTS TO BECOME WHERE THE STATE CAN WITHHOLD UP TO 25% OF YOUR NEW FUNDING.

IT'S NOT 25% OF YOUR TOTAL STATE FUNDING, BUT IT'S 25% OF ANY NEW FUNDING.

AND THAT IS THE EIB'S DECISION.

YOU ARE ALLOWED TO APPLY FOR A WAIVER.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WORRIES ME IS THE IF WE HAVE TO REDISTRICT BECAUSE YOUR FUNDING IS BASED UPON THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S ENROLLMENT.

SO NEXT YEAR, CRESTWOOD MIDDLE SCHOOL IS GOING TO HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT ENROLLMENT THAN IT HAD FOR THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE OPENING THE EXPANSION.

SO WE WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER BUDGET IN CRESTWOOD MIDDLE SCHOOL AND SIGNIFICANTLY UNDER BUDGET IN ANOTHER MIDDLE SCHOOL BECAUSE WE'VE MOVED THOSE STUDENTS.

SO WE WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A WAIVER WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPEN.

AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALL STILL BEING WORKED OUT BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T ESTABLISHED THE WAIVER GUIDELINES QUITE YET.

BUT NOW THAT THEY'VE GIVEN US A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM AS WE MOVE TO TO THE STICK COMING IN 27, IT'S GIVEN US A LITTLE BIT OF BREATHING ROOM AND I KNOW THEY'LL BE WORKING ON THOSE ESTABLISHING THOSE GUIDELINES.

THANK YOU. AND I GUESS KIND OF BUILDING ON THAT.

THE LAST THING I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS WHAT'S YOU'VE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT, YOU MEET WITH THEM.

ARE THERE OTHER SUPPORTS THAT WE CAN GIVE TO THE CHARTER SCHOOLS TO HELP THEM SO THAT THEY WON'T NOT SURVIVE? I THINK REALLY I MEAN, IN REGARDS TO ITS BUDGETARY WE CAN PROVIDE, YOU KNOW.

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SO AND WE CUT OUR BUDGET FOR THAT BY FOR INFLATION.

SO I DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW DO YOU THAT AND AND THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE FALLACIES OF THE WAY THE STATE HAS ESTABLISHED FUNDING BECAUSE THERE IS NO CAPITAL FUNDING FOR OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS.

AND THERE WAS, I THINK, A PUSH WITHIN LEGISLATION AND I DON'T THINK IT PASSED.

BUT SO THAT'S ONE OF THE FALLACIES, THE WAY THAT THE STATE HAS ESTABLISHED IT.

AND FRANKLY, IT BECOMES A QUESTION OF AND IT'S A QUESTION THAT OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE TEAM ASK THEMSELVES EVERY DAY, IS THIS GOING TO FAIL? THIS ALREADY FAILED.

LET'S GO TAKE CARE OF THAT.

AND SO IT JUST BECOMES IT JUST ADDS TO THAT DEFERRED MAINTENANCE.

AND WE ARE NOT FUNDED AT WHAT IS THE STANDARD IN A PRIVATE INDUSTRY FOR YOUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE BASED UPON YOUR PROPERTY PORTFOLIO. SO I THINK AND I AND I APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE THAT THAT THEY ARE THOSE ARE EXPENSES THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.

BUT WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT THE PPA AND THE 75% AT OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS, WE GET THERE THROUGH THOSE SAME EXPENDITURES FROM OUR SCHOOL FOR FROM THE BUDGET AS WELL.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE GET THERE IS WHEN WE ADD IN THE UTILITY COST IS WHEN WE ADD IN THE COMMUNICATIONS COSTS FOR THE DARK FIBER, FOR OUR INTERNET COST.

SO WE'RE IN WE'RE IN WE'RE AT A SIMILAR PLACE.

THANK YOU, MISS ALLEN.

SO I THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY IS THAT THE CONVERSATION THAT YOU'VE HAD IN REGARDS TO THE FUNDING LEVELS FOR THE CHARTER SCHOOLS, IT'S REALLY 100% OR IT'S A 7525 FORMULA.

SO THERE ISN'T A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE IF.

IF WE LOOKED AT 90% OR 90, YOU KNOW, OR 95%, YOU KNOW.

WELL, THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE.

BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE, ONE OF THE THINGS, IF YOU'RE FUNDING AT 90%, YOU THEN HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT YOUR IN-KIND SERVICES ARE.

IF YOU FUND AT 90% OF THE WHOLE BUDGET, ARE YOU THEN ABLE TO OFFER THE IN-KIND SERVICES OF SPECIAL EDUCATION, WHICH IS ANOTHER $2 MILLION? SO I THINK THE REASON WHY I WAS SUGGESTING IT SHOULD BE ONE OR THE OTHER IS BECAUSE IF IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE 75%, THEN WE NEED TO EVALUATE WHAT THE 20% OR 15 OR 10 OR 5% IS GOING TO INCLUDE, BECAUSE IF WE'RE PROVIDING THE FULL FUNDING, THEN THEY MIGHT NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION AND SOME OF THE AND AND THOSE SERVICES IN REGARDS TO TECHNOLOGY.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE QUESTIONS THAT TO BE FRANK, HAVEN'T IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, HAVEN'T BEEN FULLY FLESHED OUT.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M A LITTLE HESITANT TO SAY TO COMMIT BECAUSE I THINK THAT THOSE THEN AREN'T OPEN BIGGER QUESTIONS THAT PROBABLY NEED SOME TIME TO BE REVIEWED AND CONSIDERED IN PARTNERSHIP.

YEAH I AGREE.

SO WHEN WHEN YOU DO MEET WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS THEN THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THOSE ITEMS, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND IF THEY DON'T ACCEPT THOSE SERVICES THEN IT IT.

WELL SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE.

SO FOR INSTANCE TECHNOLOGY SERVICES WE ARE UNDER A MUCH LARGER.

IT'S NOT AN FCPS DECISION IN REGARDS TO TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S THE STATE OF MARYLAND TELLING US THAT WE HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN GUIDELINES IN REGARDS TO FERPA AND THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT WE USE OUR TECHNOLOGY, AND THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN DO THAT.

FOR EXAMPLE, US MOVING AWAY FROM THE BODY POLICY WAS TO PROVIDE THE DEVICES AND YOU TO EVERY CHILD TO BE ON OUR SYSTEM, FOR EXAMPLE, OUR SCHOOL, OUR POWER SCHOOL PLATFORMS. WE NEED ALL THAT DATA.

THEY CANNOT SELECT A DIFFERENT PLATFORM BECAUSE THEY ARE FCPS STUDENTS, SO THEY HAVE TO BE ON THAT PLATFORM.

SPECIAL EDUCATION, THOSE ARE FEDERAL GUIDELINES AND WE ARE RESPONSIBLE IF THERE WERE IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH IT.

SO THAT'S I THINK, WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY IN THE IN THE LAW CURRENTLY SPECIAL EDUCATION IS A CARVE OUT BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE, BECAUSE IT'S IT NEEDS TO BE VIEWED IN A MUCH LARGER WINDOW.

AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOUR SPECIAL EDUCATION DEMOGRAPHICS ARE GOING TO BE FROM YEAR TO YEAR.

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AND NOW THEIR DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE CHANGED.

THAT COULD PUT THEM OUT OF BUSINESS.

IT'S IT'S KIND OF THE.

THE SPECIAL EDUCATION.

THE COST BURDEN IS SHARED BY THE ENTIRE GROUP.

THE FUNDING THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION IS 48% OF OUR TOTAL SPECIAL EDUCATION BUDGET.

AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT.

SO EVEN IF WE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S WHERE THAT 25% COMES IN BECAUSE WE ARE NOT RECEIVING THE FUNDING TO COVER THE COSTS OF SPECIAL EDUCATION FOR ANY OF OUR STUDENTS.

OUR TRANSPORTATION BUDGET THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE STATE GOVERNMENT IS $5 MILLION BELOW OUR TRANSPORTATION COST.

SO AND THERE'S NO LOCAL SHARE FOR THAT BUDGET.

SO THERE'S SO WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT'S WHERE THE 25% COMES IN.

AND THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT NECESSARILY AN APPLES TO APPLE OR A 1 TO 1 THING.

BECAUSE. YES.

THE SPECIAL THIS YEAR.

YOUR DEMOGRAPHICS MAY BE LOW IN SPECIAL EDUCATION, BUT IT'S A SHARED COST.

AND THAT 25% IS ABOUT THE SHARED COST FOR THE ENTIRE SYSTEM.

YEAH. AND AND YOU KNOW, I, I GET THE COMPLEXITY OF IT.

I MEAN, I REALLY DO AND HOW, HOW DIFFICULT IT MUST BE TO EVEN EXPLAIN WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IN THE NUMBERS WHEN YOU'RE MESHING IT ALL TOGETHER.

SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, THAT I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT I'M NOT GOING TO BELABOR THIS.

WE'LL GO AHEAD, YOU KNOW, AND GET THE VOTE ON THE ON THE TABLE.

I JUST, I JUST REALLY FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT.

PAUSING THIS FOR A YEAR.

BUT. OKAY WITH THAT? WE WILL CALL FOR THE VOTE.

IS MISS LIEBERMAN STILL WITH US? SORRY, I THOUGHT I JUST COULDN'T SEE YOU AT ALL.

I'M LIKE, DUDE, YOU DIDN'T LEAVE, DID YOU? OKAY, SO THE MOTION WAS ALREADY STATED.

ANYBODY NEED THE MOTION REPEATED? I THINK ONE QUESTION FOR THE MOTION.

THIS THE CHARTER IS MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT HAVING THE PLAN LIKE GOING THROUGH.

SO WILL THIS VOTE HELP THEM, HELP US WORK WITH THEM TO GET THEIR THEIR STUFF WORKED OUT? YOU JUST MENTIONED BEFORE, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PLAN DETAILED WITH THEM.

WILL THIS GET THAT? WELL, I MEAN IT IT FORCES THE WILL BE WORKING IN THE SUMMER TO HELP THEM, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE IF YOU GO TO THE 75% THAT WILL BE WORKING TO HELP THEM WITH THAT INFORMATION, BUT REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU VOTE, WE'LL BE HELPING THEM BECAUSE WE ALL HAVE TO MEET THE FIVE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

SO WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE CHARTERS TO HELP THEM WITH THEIR ACCOUNTING TO ENSURE THAT WE MEET THIS, BECAUSE SOME OF THE CHARTERS DO NOT PURCHASE THEIR ITEMS THROUGH US, THEY THEY RECEIVE A MONTHLY OR QUARTERLY ALLOCATION AND THEY DO THEIR OWN PURCHASING FOR NON NON SALARY TYPE THINGS.

ALL SALARIES RUN THROUGH FCPS, PS PAYROLL.

BUT NO, I MEAN REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU DECIDE TODAY, THERE IS CONVERSATION THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN JULY WITH THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.

AND IF YOU DECIDE TODAY TO GO WITH THE CURRENT FORMULA, WE WILL HAVE CONVERSATIONS IN JULY ABOUT HOW WE DO FIVE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

IF IT'S A PAUSE, THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN JULY WILL BE OKAY.

WE HAVE THIS PAUSE.

LET'S TALK ABOUT FIVE, TWO, THREE, FOUR.

AND LET'S TALK ABOUT THE 75%.

AND LET'S WORK THROUGH THAT 25% MATH SO WE CAN GET IT BROKEN DOWN.

SO WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO.

SO THE AMENDED MOTION SAID TO SEE THE BOARD PAUSE THE 7525 STATE BOARD FUNDING FOR THE FOUR CHARTER SCHOOLS FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR TO ALLOW THE CHARTER SCHOOLS TIME TO REVISIT THE BUDGETS AND AND PREPARE AN FY 26 FOR THIS FORMULA FUNDING.

AND IN THAT REQUEST PREVIOUSLY TO LOOK AT ADDITIONAL SAVINGS OR EFFICIENCIES.

AND THAT IS WHERE THE $1 MILLION WOULD BE FOUND.

OKAY. EVERYBODY READY TO VOTE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.

ALL THOSE OPPOSED.

ANY ABSTENTIONS.

OKAY, SO THAT MOTION FAILS.

AND I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF SITTING HERE.

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AND I THINK WE'RE ALL DEFINITELY FEELING THE WEIGHT OF THAT.

AND WELL, WE'LL BE TALKING.

WELL, WE, YES, STILL NEED TO MAKE A MOTION TO ACCEPT.

WHAT'S JUST BEEN PRESENTED.

IT WAS IT WAS 25% WAS PART OF THE BUDGET.

SO IF IF YOU HAD DECIDED TO CHANGE THAT, THEN YOU WOULD HAVE MADE A MOTION FOR THAT.

THEN THAT MOTION THAT MISS ALLEN HAD WOULD HAVE MADE THE CHANGE.

THANK YOU. YEAH, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER PARTS OF THE BUDGET, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE TIME WHERE IF YOU WANT TO DISCUSS THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, THIS WOULD BE THE TIME.

I CERTAINLY HAVE INTEREST IN SEEING PART OR ALL OF THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM RESTORED.

THERE'S BEEN COMPELLING TESTIMONY CERTAINLY AT OUR MEETING, THAT I HOPE MANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WATCH. I TOOK NOTES AND SENT THAT YEAH.

I THINK IT'S AN INNOVATIVE PROGRAM THAT HELPS IN SOME CASES, SOME OF OUR MOST VULNERABLE LEARNERS.

AND I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES ACTUALLY, FOR THE PROGRAM TO EXPAND IF IT'S IF IT IS TO STAY IN PLACE. YEAH, I SEE THIS AS PART OF MY I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A SPECIAL EDUCATION PROGRAM, BUT I SEE IT AS PART OF MY ADVOCACY.

YOU KNOW, FOR AND AMONG STUDENTS WITH EXCEPTIONALITIES.

AND, YEAH, I AM VERY UNLIKELY TO MAKE A FORMAL MOTION TONIGHT.

WHILE I THINK THERE ARE PROBABLY WAYS, IF IT'S A DIFFERENT BUDGET AMOUNT OR PERHAPS DIFFERENT GRADES, PERHAPS I COULD IN TERMS OF ROBERT'S RULES, BUT OUR GENERAL PRECEDENCE HAS BEEN THAT IF YOU'RE ON THE LOSING END OF A MOTION, YOU WOULD NOT MAKE THE MOTION.

AND SO I, I WOULD, I, I WOULD LOOK TO ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TO SEE WHETHER YOU ARE INTERESTED IN EXPLORING THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM THIS EVENING. SALIMAN, I WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THE FLOOR FOR DISCUSSION ON THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM, AND TO DISCUSS WAYS IN WHICH WE MAY BE ABLE TO FIND FUNDING FOR THAT PROGRAM.

SECOND. MISS ALLEN WITH THE MOTION.

MR. JAY WITH THE SECOND.

AND I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST, MR. BASS, THAT YOU.

I THINK THE MOTION YOU MADE BEFORE WAS COMBINED WITH SOMETHING ELSE, THAT YOU COULD HAVE MADE A NEW MOTION, BUT IT'S NOW BEEN TAKEN CARE OF.

I'LL SPEAK TO THE MOTION.

I, I APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE TONIGHT AND EVERYBODY THAT'S HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE RVP PROGRAM.

I ALSO APPRECIATE ALL OF THE EMAILS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED.

THERE WAS A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT I DID NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE PROGRAM, AND I NOW HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE STUDENTS THAT ARE SERVED BY THIS PROGRAM AND THE PARENTS WHO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM AND WANT THEIR THEIR STUDENTS TO CONTINUE IN THE PROGRAM. MY CONCERN, I THINK, OR SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD IS I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE ARE STUDENTS WHO HAVE IEPS AND 500 AND FOURS THAT ARE CURRENTLY ENROLLED IN THIS PROGRAM.

SO I DO I HAVE A QUESTION AND THIS GOES OUT TO STAFF.

IF IT CAN'T BE ANSWERED TONIGHT, CERTAINLY I'LL TAKE THE ANSWER.

AFTER THE MEETING.

BUT HOW MANY SERVICE HOURS ARE ANTICIPATED FOR THE STUDENTS WITH THE IEPS? ARE THOSE SERVICES GOING TO BE OFFERED AND PROVIDED AT THE SAME LEVEL? THEY'RE RECEIVING THE SERVICES NOW.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT STAFFING IS AT A CRITICAL POINT FOR SOME OF THE SERVICE AREAS, SUCH AS SPEECH THERAPY.

HOW ARE WE GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THOSE STUDENTS? AND THAT.

IF I LOOK AT THESE STUDENTS BEING INCORPORATED BACK INTO CLASSROOMS, INTO TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.

MY QUESTION IS ON THE COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE INCURRED IN ORDER TO SERVE THOSE STUDENTS.

[04:25:01]

WE MADE A MOTION TO DISCUSS IT.

SO IF WE'RE DISCUSSING IT NOW, DO WE HAVE TO HIT THE HAVE TO HAVE THAT MOTION PASSED TO DISCUSS? BEFORE WE GET PEOPLE ANSWERING QUESTIONS.

DO I HAVE TO HAVE THE MOTION PASSED BEFORE WE.

JUST A POINT OF ORDER. I'M SURE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT.

THIS IS A ADD ON TO OUR AGENDA.

IT WASN'T ON THE AGENDA.

SO I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE SHOULD DO IT, YOU KNOW, FULL ON BOARD.

WELL, I THINK I THOUGHT WE DECIDED EARLIER THAT IT WAS PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET.

SO DO WE NEED A MOTION FOR IT THEN? SHE MADE. YEAH, AND I SECONDED.

BUT BEFORE WE DO THE MOTION, DO WE EVEN NEED IT OR DO WE? I WANT TO BE SURE WE, YOU KNOW, WE FOLLOW OUR PROCEDURE.

I WAS ACTUALLY SPEAKING TO THE MOTION THAT I MADE.

YES. THE QUESTIONS I THOUGHT YOU WERE STARTING DISCUSSION.

OKAY. SO.

BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, DO WE NEED A MOTION THEN AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE PREVIOUS, I CAN STEP BACK.

AND IF YOU HAVE DO WE BUT I'M I'M OPEN TO.

NO, NO, NO I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR, BUT DO WE EVEN NEED IT BECAUSE IT WAS PART OF THE PREVIOUS PART OF THE AGENDA WITH BUDGET? DO WE EVEN NEED THE MOTION? I'M ASKING FOR THE GROUP. GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT.

NOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SHE COULD JUST RAISE IT AS A POINT OF DISCUSSION.

YEAH. FOR THE PREVIOUS AGENDA ITEM.

OKAY. YEAH, I'M ASKING THAT.

I'M FINE WITH THAT AS WELL.

I RAISE THE DISCUSSION.

YES. SO.

RIGHT. EXACTLY. WE NEED A MOTION IF WE'RE GOING TO ACT.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, I THINK YOU COULD JUST RAISE THEM NOW ON THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM.

AND I KNOW DOCTOR BINGMAN WAS ON HER WAY TO THERE.

SHE IS. SO IF YOU WANT TO REPEAT YOUR QUESTIONS.

SO FOR THE ONES THAT I RECALL WE, I DO NOT HAVE THE TOTAL SERVICE HOURS FOR ALL OF THE STUDENTS.

HOWEVER, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THE SERVICE HOURS WOULD STAY SIMILAR OR MAY NEED TO BE REVISED.

AS YOU KNOW, WE WERE PLANNING ON LOOKING INDIVIDUALLY AT EACH STUDENT AND REALLY LOOKING AT EACH CASE TO DETERMINE WHAT SERVICE HOURS THE STUDENT MAY NEED.

AND SO THAT WOULD BE A COLLABORATIVE DISCUSSION WITH REGARD TO THAT WITH THE PARENTS AND THE STAFF.

AS WE LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL STUDENT AND WHAT THE NEEDS ARE.

THANK YOU. AND YOU CAN STAY RIGHT THERE BECAUSE AS YOU'RE ASKING THIS, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ANNUAL UPDATES TO IEPS AS IT IS, HOW ARE THEIR SERVICES PROVIDED NOW.

WELL, THEY DO HAVE SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS WHO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES.

AND SO THEY ARE IN THEIR CLASSROOMS CO-TEACHING.

OR THEY PROVIDE THE PUSH IN MODEL WHERE THEY'RE SUPPORTING THE STUDENT WITHIN THE CLASSROOM OR EVEN PULL OUT.

SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE INDIVIDUAL STUDENT AND THE NEEDS THAT THE STUDENT HAS.

AND THEY PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES VIRTUALLY.

RIGHT. I REMEMBERED THE SEPARATE ROOMS THAT THEY COULD GO OUT TO.

SO ON ALL VIRTUALLY.

DO THEY EVER COME INTO THE SCHOOLS FOR ANY OF THIS, THEIR SPECIAL ED SERVICES, ONLY FOR LIKE THEIR STATE TESTING? OR IF THERE ARE PARTICULAR SITUATIONS WHERE THEY NEED TO COME IN.

SO THEY DO COME IN AT TIMES, BUT AGAIN, IT'S STATE TESTING ETC..

DID YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, MISS ALLEN? I. I DID, BUT I JUST, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE I THINK ARE MORE ON A BUDGET AREA, YOU KNOW, NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD BE ABLE I WOULD LOOK TO MISS CLAY BALL TO PUT TOGETHER THE NUMBERS.

ABOUT THE COSTS, BRINGING THE KIDS BACK INTO THE CLASSROOM, PROVIDING THOSE SERVICES COMPARED TO THE COST THAT IT IT IS RIGHT NOW FOR THE RVP.

SO WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE RV EXPENSES, WE WE DID NOT INCLUDE IN THAT REDUCTION THE REDUCTION OF ANY SPECIAL EDUCATION OR ML POSITIONS BECAUSE THEY WERE PART OF OUR NORMAL ALLOCATION.

AND SO THEY WILL JUST BE REDIRECTED.

SO THOSE IF A STUDENT IF A STUDENT HAS AN SCA BECAUSE THERE ARE SCA RELATED TO THE RV, THOSE POSITIONS STILL EXIST AND THOSE THEY CAN BE REALLOCATED.

SO IN REGARDS TO THAT I DONATE.

AND IF THEY WERE CONTRACTED SERVICES WE WOULD CONTINUE TO PAY THE CONTRACTED SERVICES FOR THAT.

SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE REDUCTIONS FOR THE RV, IT WAS ONLY ON THE GENERAL ED SIDE.

WE KNEW THAT WE IF THE STUDENTS WERE COMING BACK IN AND THEY REQUIRED IEP OR 504 SUPPORTS, THOSE POSITIONS WERE STILL EXISTING AND THEY WOULD JUST BE DONE IN A SCHOOL SETTING. QUESTION, DO WE HAVE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE EIGHTH GRADE, SEVENTH GRADE, SIXTH GRADE SEPARATELY.

SO I ACTUALLY HAVE A COST TWO WAYS.

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AND THE REASON WHY WHEN WE WE LOOKED AT IT, IT WAS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS THAT WERE MATRICULATING TO THE GRADE AND GET HAVING THE MOST AS BASED UPON THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT.

SO CURRENTLY AT THE AND WE AND OUR EIGHTH GRADERS, OF COURSE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE IN NINTH GRADE AND THE AND THE NINTH THROUGH 12 ARE VPI IS PART OF THE FREDERICK COUNTY VIRTUAL SCHOOL AND WILL MAINTAIN.

SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE 62 RISING EIGHTH GRADERS, 35 RISING SIXTH GRADERS, OR, EXCUSE ME, SEVENTH GRADERS AND 25 RISING FIFTH GRADERS.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT THAT MODEL.

ABSOLUTELY. SO 62, THAT WILL BE RISING TO EIGHTH GRADE BASED UPON THE CURRENT ENROLLMENT, 35 RISING TO SEVENTH GRADE AND 25 RISING TO SIXTH GRADE.

DO YOU HAVE HAPPEN TO HAVE THOSE RISING STUDENTS, THOSE WHO HAVE IEPS OR.

YES. SO CURRENTLY OF THOSE FIFTH, SIXTH AND SEVENTH GRADERS, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 122, THERE ARE 40 STUDENTS THAT EITHER HAVE AN IEP OR A 504.

DID YOU HAVE THEM BY GRADE OR NO.

YES. OKAY. SO THE RISE, THE 25 RISING FIFTH GRADERS, WE HAVE TWO WITH AN IEP, TWO WITH A 504, THE 35 RISING SIXTH GRADER OR EXCUSE ME, I KEEP DOING THE RISING WRONG.

SO THESE WILL BE SEVENTH GRADERS.

SO THE FIFTH GRADERS I JUST SAID WILL BE SIXTH GRADERS IN FY 25.

THESE WILL BE OUR SEVENTH GRADERS IN FY 25.

SO THERE ARE 35 OF THEM.

ONE WITH AN IEP, TEN WITH 500 AND FOURS ARE RISING EIGHTH GRADERS, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF 62.

THERE WOULD BE 14 WITH IEPS AND TEN WITH 500 AND FOURS.

AND SO WHEN WE WHEN WE ORIGINALLY WERE REVIEWING THE 3 TO 8, WE LOOKED AT THE WHERE WE THOUGHT WE COULD ADDRESS THE MOST STUDENT NEEDS.

SO THAT'S WHY WE LOOKED AT OUR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADERS FIRST, BECAUSE WE FELT BY ADDING AN AP AT THE FREDERICK COUNTY VIRTUAL SCHOOL, WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT AND THEN THE TEACHERS, AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME EIGHTH GRADERS WHO MIGHT BE INTO HIGH SCHOOL COURSES THAT WE WERE ALREADY OFFERING.

AND SO TO DO A SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE WOULD BE ABOUT ONE OOPS.

LET ME FLIP MY PAPER BACK.

WOULD BE.

$1.194 MILLION.

TO ADD THE SIXTH GRADE, WE WOULD GO UP TO 1.360.

CAN YOU DO THAT ONE MORE TIME? SO YOUR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADE, WE WOULD NEED TO ADD $1.194 MILLION.

TOOK YOU SIXTH THROUGH EIGHTH GRADE.

WE WOULD NEED TO ADD $1.360 MILLION.

2.631360. SO LET ME MAKE SURE LET ME MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR.

SO IF WE DID SIX THROUGH EIGHTH WE WOULD NEED 1.360.

CORRECT. AND THAT'S FOR A TOTAL OF 122 STUDENTS.

STUDENTS. CORRECT.

THAT'S THAT'S.

AND THAT INCLUDES CALCULATION AND FOR SPECIAL SERVICES.

RIGHT. FOR ALL THE SERVICES THAT ARE WOULD BE REQUIRED.

THAT'S RETURNING TO THE GENERAL ED, THE SPECIAL EDUCATION TEACHERS AND THE SENIORS.

WE DID NOT REMOVE.

SO THOSE THOSE STILL EXIST OKAY.

THEY WOULD IF THEY IF THE RV IF YOU WOULD NOT VOTE TO ADD BACK THE RV, THOSE SERVICES WOULD BE REALLOCATED TO OTHER SCHOOLS, PROBABLY IN PARTICULAR, DEPENDING UPON WHERE THE STUDENTS COME FROM, THEY MIGHT SEE THE SAME TEACHER IN THEIR SCHOOL.

GOT IT. THANK YOU. I PROBABLY SHOULD JUST SAY THOSE SERVICES REMAIN UNCHANGED.

CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY.

I'M FEELING A LITTLE LOOPY.

AREN'T WE ALL? BESIDES FREEZING, I'M FINALLY NOT FREEZING.

I THINK MY JAW IS LOCKED UP FROM FREEZING, MISS JOHNSON.

YEAH. SO JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND THIS.

SO IF IT'S 1.36 MILLION TO RETAIN OR REINSTATE SIX THROUGH EIGHT.

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SO THAT'S LIKE OVER $11,000 PER STUDENT.

SO WHAT IS THE CAUSE OF THE BIG JUMP OTHER THAN POTENTIALLY A SMALLER CLASS SIZE? THE COST OF THE BIG JUMP BETWEEN THE 1.3 AND THE 1.9 FOR NO TO JUST LIKE REINSTATE THE PROGRAM TO TO 122 STUDENTS.

YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING TO COST US AN EXTRA $1.36 MILLION, WHICH EQUATES TO OVER $11,000 PER STUDENT FOR JUST CHANGING THEIR MODALITY OF LEARNING.

CORRECT. BECAUSE WHAT IS THE ESCALATED? BECAUSE WE HAVE TO NOW HAVE TEACHERS.

IT'S TEN IT'S TEN FTE OF TEACHERS PLUS AN ASSISTANT PRINCIPAL IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THIS EDUCATION TO OUR IN A REMOTE VIRTUAL SETTING.

BUT IF THEY'RE ABSORBED INTO THE SYSTEM, IF THEY'RE ABSORBED INTO THE SYSTEM, THEY JOIN THE OTHER CLASSROOMS WHERE THEY'RE IF THE TEACHER.

AND SO THERE'S A COST TO HAVE THEM JOIN THE OTHER CLASSROOM.

NO, BECAUSE THE CLASSROOM ALREADY EXISTS.

SO IF I HAVE A CLASS OF FIFTH GRADERS AND THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING INTO THE SAME CLASSROOM BECAUSE THEY'RE FROM A WIDE VARIETY.

SO IF I'M ADDING ONE STUDENT BACK INTO A CLASSROOM.

THE FIFTH GRADE CLASSROOM AT BRUNSWICK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ALREADY EXISTS, SO THAT STUDENT WHO WAS AN RSVP GOES BACK TO THAT CLASSROOM.

WELL, I'M JUST I'M HAVING A LITTLE HARD TIME WITH THAT BECAUSE WHEN WE INCREASED OUR OWN CLASS SIZES BY ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE CASCADED DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS OF THAT.

BUT NOW YOU'RE SAYING WITH THESE STUDENTS THERE'S ONLY EFFECTIVE WE TAKE THEM OUT OF THE CLASSROOM? WELL, THAT WAS 47,000 STUDENTS.

SO THAT WAS THAT'S BECAUSE THAT'S THAT COST THAT THAT COST TO DECREASE YOUR STAFFING AT THE SCHOOLS HAPPEN BECAUSE YOU IT'S OVER THE 47,000 STUDENTS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE ADDING IT'S JUST LIKE SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF ON SEPTEMBER 3RD, A NEW STUDENT ARRIVED AT THE SCHOOL, WE DON'T WE DON'T MAKE AN ADJUSTMENT.

AND THESE STUDENTS, THESE 122 STUDENTS ARE AT A VARIETY OF SCHOOLS THROUGHOUT M.C.P.S.

SO I THINK I MIGHT BE MISUNDERSTANDING.

OH, SOMEONE IS BEHIND ME.

YOU HAVE A FRIEND, MISS CLAVEL.

GOOD EVENING. I MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST HELP WITH UNDERSTANDING THE STAFFING FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROGRAM, AND HOW IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR STAFFING MODEL FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOLS, WHICH IS BASED PURELY ON A FORMULA.

OUR OUR REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM HAS WHAT WE CALL FOUNDATION STAFFING.

AND SO IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A REALLY HELPFUL REFERENCE FOR YOU RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT SHARES HOW WE STAFF THAT PROGRAM.

THAT INCLUDES THE CURRENT ADMINISTRATOR THE COUNSELING SUPPORT WE'VE HAD, THE SPECIALIST SUPPORT, WE'VE HAD A SECRETARY, AN IA, THAT TYPE OF THING, AS WELL AS THE INSTRUCTIONAL STAFF.

WHEN YOU DO A THREE THROUGH EIGHT MODEL, YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF TEACHERS BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR TEACHERS TO STAFF YOUR ELEMENTARY CLASSROOMS, AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR TEACHERS TO STAFF YOUR MIDDLE SCHOOL PROGRAM.

AND SO THINK ABOUT THAT WHERE YOU NEED CONTENT TEACHERS, LANGUAGE ARTS TEACHER, MATH TEACHER, SOCIAL STUDIES TEACHER, SCIENCE TEACHER, ETC.

SOME APPLIED ACADEMIC AREAS TO COVER THE PROGRAM FOR THOSE STUDENTS.

AND SO THERE IS A FOUNDATION FORMULA THAT IS USED TO STAFF THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM.

AGAIN, THAT IS FULLY REFERENCED IN YOUR BUDGET BOOK WHEN THE CUT WAS MADE OR THE REDUCTION WAS MADE FOR REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM, ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS WERE REMOVED.

OKAY. AND SO NOW IF YOU WANT TO RESTORE IT, WE'RE PUTTING POSITIONS BACK IN TO THE BUDGET.

AND SO WHAT WHAT WE ATTEMPTED TO LOOK AT I THINK YOU RECALL ON THE MAY 15TH BOARD MEETING, WE INDICATED THERE WAS A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN OUR OFFICE HOURS SESSION IN SUPPORT OF THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM.

AND SO STAFF KNOWING THERE WAS ENERGY BEHIND IT, WE ALWAYS WANT TO GIVE YOU OPTIONS.

SO WE DID LOOK AT A 7 TO 8 RESTORATION AS A POSSIBILITY BECAUSE THAT WOULD HELP A LARGE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

SO IT'S WHAT STAFF DO YOU NEED TO RESTORE TO BE ABLE TO STILL RUN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL PROGRAM? WHAT WE DID IS COMBINE IN OUR IN OUR MODELING IS COMBINED WITH OUR NINE THROUGH 12 REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM SO THAT WE DON'T

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WE'RE GOING TO SHARE THAT STAFFING OKAY.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND EFFICIENCIES STILL.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO GIVE AN OPTION TO INCREASE CERTAIN DEGREE OF THE PROGRAM WITH THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF STAFFING WE CAN TO BE ABLE TO STILL PROVIDE SERVICES AND RUN THE PROGRAM FOR STUDENTS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HELPS, BUT IT IS.

AND TO YOUR POINT, IT IS IT IS AN EXPENSIVE PROGRAM.

IT'S DIFFERENT THAN OUR COMPREHENSIVE SCHOOLS.

AND SO THAT THAT JUST IS A FACT.

AND IT'S JUST IN THE BUDGET BOOK WHERE IT SAYS, HERE'S WHAT YOU DO TO STAFF THAT PROGRAM.

AND I'M JUST GOING TO FOLLOW BACK UP ON MINE FIRST AND THEN HAND OVER BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ASK IS THAT WE LOOK FOR THE EFFICIENCY AND HAVE IT BE, I DON'T KNOW, IS A SECONDARY.

DO YOU CALL THAT SECOND? DO WE CALL THAT SECONDARY? YOUR CERTIFICATION WOULD WORK LIKE POTENTIALLY SIX THROUGH 12.

YES. AND THEN IT JUST BECOMES A SOMEHOW A PROGRAM WITHIN THE VIRTUAL SCHOOL.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LEGALLY DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST SUGGESTING WE LOOK AT EFFICIENCIES BECAUSE I KNOW THE FOLKS HERE KNOW THAT I TEACH AT FCC AND WE TREAT LIKE WE WE HOP BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN REMOTE AND REGULAR TEACHING.

AND I KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENT FORMULA AND ENVIRONMENT HERE, BUT I HONESTLY FEEL LIKE WE CAN LOOK FOR MORE EFFICIENCIES IN HOW WE OPERATE BECAUSE THERE IS A TREMENDOUS SAVINGS AND THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING TRANSPORTATION, THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING YOU KNOW, BUILDING MAINTENANCE THERE'S COST SAVINGS THAT ARE REPRESENTED BY THESE STUDENTS.

SO, YOU KNOW, JUST AND I DIDN'T EXPECT THE APPLAUSE FROM MY COMMENTS, JUST THE WAY MY HEAD WORKS IN TERMS OF HOW DO YOU BALANCE THIS STUFF AND WHERE, WHERE, WHERE IS THE MONEY ACTUALLY RUNNING TO OR COMING? AND SO THAT I'M ALSO WANTING TO ASK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT HOW MUCH TRANSPORTATION COSTS AND HOW MUCH, YOU KNOW, OUR DEFERRED MAINTENANCE COSTS.

AND THESE STUDENTS AREN'T HAVING THE THEY'RE NOT CREATING ANY OF THAT COST FOR US.

WELL, I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS THAT OUR RVP AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL IS A SUCCESSFUL PROGRAM AND HAS HAS AN ENROLLMENT.

AND THAT FREDERICK COUNTY VIRTUAL SCHOOL NOT ONLY ATTENDS TO THE RVP, BUT THEY HAVE A VARIETY OF OTHER PROGRAMS AS WELL THAT THEY'RE STAFFING.

SO IT'S NOT THEY'RE THEY DON'T HAVE CAPACITY TO SIMPLY ADD THESE STUDENTS TO THAT STAFFING THAT EXIST.

AND THE OTHER THING AGAIN, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, FOR INSTANCE, THE SCHOOL BUS IS ALREADY IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVE BECAUSE OF THE SIZE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF STUDENTS.

IT'S NOT AS IF THERE WOULD BE AN ACTUALIZED SAVINGS FOR THAT, BECAUSE IF THEY PICKED UP NEXT DOOR, IT WOULD JUST HAVE BEEN ONE MORE STUDENT ON THE BUS. SO I THINK SOME OF THE SAVINGS THAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING, ABSOLUTELY.

WE'RE NOT PAYING YOU. BUT WHILE WE AREN'T PAYING UTILITIES FOR AN RVP BUILDING, THESE STUDENTS ARE ENROLLED.

AND WHEN WE COUNT THEM, THEY ARE ENROLLED AND COUNTED IN OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS.

SO WHAT? ALL OF THAT IS SUNK COSTS.

FOR THE UTILITIES, FOR WHATEVER IS HAPPENING IN THAT BUILDING.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HARD TO PROVIDE A SAVINGS FOR TRANSPORTATION, FOR UTILITIES, FOR MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUNK COST, BECAUSE THOSE BUILDINGS EXIST. THE CHILDREN ARE ALREADY IN THE BUILDING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YEAH, IT DOES TO A CERTAIN DEGREE THAT WE'RE WE'RE PROVIDING THOSE COSTS NO MATTER WHAT.

AND SO AGAIN, TO ABSORB THESE STUDENTS INTO THAT IS NOT GOING TO COST US MORE ESSENTIALLY.

BUT I STILL I'M GOING TO HARP BACK ON THAT.

THIS IS JUST ANOTHER MODE OF LEARNING.

AND I THINK I THINK IT WOULD BE IN OUR BEST INTEREST AS A SYSTEM IN CASE THERE IS ANOTHER PANDEMIC.

HOPEFULLY NOT, BUT THAT WE HAVE, LIKE STAFF FULLY QUALIFIED AND WORKING IN THIS ENVIRONMENT DAY IN AND DAY OUT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE LEADERS IN THIS AREA.

SO I DON'T MIND YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD PROGRAM THAT WE SHOULD DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN TO TRY TO KEEP.

AND THAT'S IT FOR MY COMMENTS.

MR. J. OH THANK YOU.

I KIND OF WANTED TO FUNNY ENOUGH, WE HAD SAME SAME MINE ON THAT ONE, SO.

HI THERE. BUT I'VE SEEN TEACHERS WHO HAVE WORKED IN MY BUILDING.

SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECONDARY. SO SECONDARY.

THEY CHANGED CLASSES SO IT WOULDN'T WORK FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT FOR SECONDARY I HAD A PEER WHO HAD A CLASS, YOU KNOW, HE HAD LIKE A HE HAD A PREP THAT WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, FIRST THREE CLASSES WERE IN IN HIS ROOM AND THEN HIS LAST CLASS, HE TOOK ON A CLASS THAT WAS TEACHING A HIGHER LEVEL ALGEBRA OR SOME LEVEL OF COMPUTING,

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AND SO HE WAS STILL A BRICK AND MORTAR IN THE BUILDING.

BUT THEN HE TOOK ON STUDENTS WHO WERE IN HIS LAST PREP WAS A VIRTUAL PREP.

SO KIDS WILL LOG ON FROM DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE SCHOOLS.

ACTUALLY, HE TAUGHT A LANGUAGE THAT WASN'T OFFERED IN OTHER COMPUTING, LANGUAGE THAT WASN'T OFFERED ON THE SCHOOL.

SO HE LOGGED IN LAST PERIOD AND HE LOGGED IN FROM THEIR HOME SCHOOLS.

BUT COULD IT BE THAT COULD WE ABSORB THEM, LIKE, TALK ABOUT BEING INNOVATIVE IF IF WE BRING THEM BACK TO THE SCHOOL BUILDING, COULD WE POSSIBLY LOOK TO ABSORB THEM WITH TEACHERS WHO ARE IN BUILDING AND THEIR PREP BECOMES THAT, THAT PERIOD.

SO LIKE IF A STUDENT WHO'S IN YOU KNOW, WHO'S IN LIKE SIXTH PERIOD, THEY HAVE WHATEVER LANGUAGE, BUT THEY HAVE TEACHERS FROM AROUND THE COUNTY WHO WOULD HAVE A PREP, A VIRTUAL PREP. SO DURING THAT CLASS PERIOD, THEY WOULD JUST LOG ON, TEACH THEIR KIDS THERE ON THAT PERIOD.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD EXPLORE.

MR. JAY, YOUR QUESTION GOES TO NEGOTIATED AGREEMENTS WITH FCTA.

OKAY. SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT FOR HYBRID LEARNING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING.

GOTCHA. YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST GOING TO SORT OF SWING IN AND SHARE THAT AS WELL, SO THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A VERY SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN WORKING CONDITIONS.

AND SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE COULD ASK.

BUT I WOULD SAY TO MISS JOHNSON'S POINT WE HAVE TO PREPARE A PLAN FOR.

I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT I DON'T THINK IT'S THEIR WORDS, BUT I CALL IT A CATASTROPHIC INTERRUPTION TO IN-PERSON LEARNING.

AND SO I THINK WE'RE WELL POSITIONED THAT THAT PLAN DOESN'T RELY ON THE RV OR THE VIRTUAL PROGRAM.

WE HAVE TO DEMONSTRATE AS A SYSTEM THAT WE WOULD HAVE AN ABILITY TO PIVOT.

THAT'S NOW A REQUIREMENT IN THE STATE FOR MSDE.

AND SO WE'RE PREPARED TO DO THAT.

BUT IN TERMS OF WORKING CONDITIONS, WE CANNOT MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT WITHOUT A FULL ENGAGEMENT WITH ALL OF OUR UNITS, NOT JUST OUR TEACHERS.

OKAY. MISS GALLAGHER.

SO I WANTED TO GO BACK TO SORT OF THE THE BUDGET QUESTIONS AROUND, LIKE THE IF WE ADDED BACK SIX THROUGH EIGHT AND IT WAS 1.36, WHATEVER, MILLION DOLLARS, AND THAT COMES UP TO ABOUT 11,000 OR SO DOLLARS PER STUDENT THAT IS ON TOP OF THE LIKE PPA THAT WE WOULD GENERALLY HAVE ASSIGNED TO THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE ASSIGNED TO A SCHOOL AND THEY'RE RECEIVING THOSE SUPPORTS.

AND THEN SO THIS ADDS ON ESSENTIALLY AN ADDITIONAL 11,000 PER STUDENT IN ADDITION TO THE SERVICES.

CAN YOU SORT OF BREAK DOWN BECAUSE MISS JOHNSON'S POINT WAS THESE STUDENTS CURRENTLY AREN'T RECEIVING ADDITIONAL SERVICES IN THE BUILDING OR TRANSPORTATION OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY ARE INCLUDED IN THE SCHOOL BUDGET AND PROVIDED A CERTAIN LEVEL OF SERVICES.

SO THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL 11,000 PER STUDENT OR SO.

CAN YOU MAYBE BREAK THAT DOWN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER? RIGHT. SO WHEN WHEN THE STUDENTS WHEN THE RVP STUDENTS ARE COUNTED BECAUSE IT'S NOT A SCHOOL FROM MSD'S PERSPECTIVE, THEY ARE COUNTED IN THEIR HOME SCHOOL. SO WE RECEIVED THEIR FOUNDATIONAL FUNDING THERE AND SO OR ALL THEIR FUNDING.

SO REGARDLESS OF WHATEVER THE BOX, THE DEMOGRAPHIC BOXES THEY TICK, WE RECEIVE FUNDING FOR THAT AND IT IS ASSIGNED TO THEIR SCHOOL.

SO THIS IS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THE SCHOOL BUILDING.

IT'S AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF COST ON TOP OF THAT BECAUSE.

THAT FUNDING PAY IF THEY'RE A FIFTH GRADE STUDENT.

THAT FUNDING PAYS FOR ALL THE FIFTH GRADE TEACHERS THAT ARE IN THAT BUILDING, AND THEM NOT PARTICIPATING IN THAT BUILDING THEN PULLS IT OUT.

AND WE NEED ANOTHER WAY TO AND THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT'S WHY THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL COST.

AND IT'S AND IT CREATES AN INEFFICIENCIES IN SOME RESPECT WHERE IT HAS EFFICIENCIES IN OTHER WAYS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY I THINK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT IT AND KNEW THAT WE ALREADY HAVE THESE FOUNDATIONAL.

PARTS IN PLACE IN REGARDS TO THE NINTH THROUGH 12TH GRADE BECAUSE IT YOU KNOW, THE FREDERICK COUNTY VIRTUAL SCHOOL IS OVER TEN YEARS OLD, THAT THE RVP KIND OF FITS INTO IT NICELY.

AND SO PERHAPS ADDING THESE ADDITIONAL GRADES MIGHT MAKE MIGHT ALLOW US SOME EFFICIENCIES.

BUT THEY BUT IT'S A DIFFERENT CONTENT AREA.

SO YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE MIDDLE SCHOOL CONTENT AVAILABLE FOR OUR SEVENTH AND EIGHTH GRADERS.

VOLIN. SO I THINK THAT IT WAS SPOKEN TO ABOUT SERVICES BEING PROVIDED IN THE CLASSROOM. SO THE SO THE STUDENTS ARE MOVED TO A TRADITIONAL CLASSROOM, BUT MAYBE PULLED ASIDE TO DO THERAPY IN

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AND THAT THERAPY MIGHT BE OFFERED ON A VIRTUAL PLATFORM.

IS THAT AM I DID I HEAR THAT CORRECTLY? NO. YEAH.

IN THE VIRTUAL PROGRAM, IF YOU ARE IN A GOOGLE MEET, YOU CAN HAVE BREAKOUT MEETS.

AND AND I WILL SAY THIS IN OUR TRADITIONAL SCHOOLS, THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY WHERE A STUDENT IS PULLED OUT FOR SERVICES.

AND THAT'S JUST PART OF THE TRADITIONAL MODEL.

AND IT COULD BE SERVICES, SPEECH LANGUAGE SERVICES.

IT COULD BE TIME WITH A SCHOOL COUNSELOR.

IT'S THAT'S PART OF THE TRADITIONAL MODEL EVERY DAY TO TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE STUDENTS IN THE BUILDING.

OKAY. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY ONE ON ONE THOUGH.

SO THAT'S THEM INTERACTING WITH FACE TO FACE.

SO NOT DEPENDING UPON THEIR IEP OR 504 AND WHAT IT'S WHATEVER IT SUPPORTS.

SO IF IT'S A SUPPORTS A STUDENT THAT NEEDS ONE ON ONE SERVICES, THEN THEY WOULD BE PULLED OUT.

AND I GUESS IN THE VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT THAT PULLING OUT HAPPENS IN THE SAME WAY, EXCEPT IT'S ON A GOOGLE MEET AS OPPOSED TO HEATHER.

WE'RE GOING TO GO SIT IN THIS ROOM IN THE IN THE LIBRARY FOR YOU TO DO YOUR SLP.

YEAH. AND I GUESS I ALSO, I KNOW THAT SOME SCHOOLS ARE VERY LIMITED ON SPACE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHERE THESE SERVICES ARE PROVIDED, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ENOUGH SPACE IN SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS FOR THOSE SERVICES TO ACTUALLY BE WE HAVE TO MAKE ROOM. THEY HAVE A LEGAL MANDATE.

YOU KNOW, AN INDIVIDUALIZED EDUCATION PLAN IS A LEGAL DOCUMENT.

SO WE HAVE TO PROVIDE SERVICES.

BUT SOMETIMES IN THE TRADITIONAL SCHOOL SERVICES ARE PROVIDED WHAT THEY CALL PUSH IN WHERE THEY'RE THE TEACHER.

THE CO TEACHERS ARE TEACHING THE CLASS AND THEY'RE PROVIDING SERVICES WITHIN THE CLASSROOM.

SO NOT ALL CHILDREN ARE PULLED OUT.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE IEP DRIVES, THE PLAN FOR THE STUDENT AND HOW THE THE SERVICE DELIVERY MODEL.

SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TO FUNDING.

AND I KNOW BOARD MEMBERS HAVE SAID.

I HAVE GIVEN SOME SUGGESTIONS OF ASK SOME QUESTIONS.

REALISTICALLY. I MEAN, BECAUSE IN ALL TRUTH, ON THE 15TH WE WEREN'T SURE WHERE THE 6 MILLION WAS COMING AND I HOPE NOBODY THINKS IT CAME EASILY.

BUT IT DID COME.

WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

BECAUSE, BOY, A PART OF ME.

NO, NO, ALL OF ME WANTS TO GIVE.

I WANT TO BE OPRAH.

I WANT TO GIVE YOU A CAR AND YOU A CAR.

YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GIVE PROGRAMS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT.

THIS IS NOT WHAT WE GOT ON THE BOARD TO DO TO CUT, CUT PROGRAMS AND PULL THE RUG OUT FROM UNDER STUDENTS AND STAFF.

WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AS MANY PROGRAMS, AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STUDENTS AS POSSIBLE.

BUT MY CONCERN IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ACTUALLY FIRE PEOPLE, THAT THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN AT THIS POINT. YOU KNOW, I ALSO HEARD FROM SOME SCHOOL VISITS, I HEARD FROM ADMINISTRATORS THAT AS HARD AS IT WOULD BE, THEY COULD THEY COULD MANAGE, THEY COULD FIND A WAY.

THEY WERE ALREADY THINKING AHEAD BECAUSE THEY SAW THE WRITING ON THE WALL AT THE BUDGET.

IF WE GOT TO RAISING IT BY TWO, THAT WOULD BE REALLY HARD.

AND THEN WHEN WE WERE TOLD THAT WOULD MEAN, YOU KNOW, RIFFS OR REDUCTION IN FORCE, WHICH FREDERICK COUNTY REALLY HAS NOT SEEN, I THINK I THINK THE LAST TIME THERE WERE THREE ART TEACHERS THAT DIDN'T GET PLACED WHEN WE RAISED CLASS SIZE, BUT WE TO DO IT MORE, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE LOOKING AT RIFFS.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COME BACK FROM THAT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU PROVIDE SERVICES.

AND AND AGAIN, WE WOULD DISRUPT PEOPLE.

WE TRIED TO DEAL WITH THAT TWO WEEKS AGO.

SO MY CONCERN IS WHERE ELSE DO WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR MONEY? 1.2 OR 1.3? DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TIMES WHERE WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK, JUST LIKE WE DID AFTER MAY 15TH.

CAN'T IDENTIFY A PLACE AT THIS TIME.

SO I THINK, MISS YOHO, CERTAINLY.

YOU'VE REALLY SPOKEN TO THE REALITY OF IT.

I MEAN, WE HAVE AN AWARD WINNING FISCAL SERVICES TEAM THAT IS GIVEN, I THINK, ALL OF US, THEIR BEST COUNSEL, AND IF THERE WAS ANY MORE MONEY, THEY WOULD

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AND SO I THINK THE REALITY IS WHAT YOU'VE BASICALLY ALLUDED TO, WHICH IS THAT OUR BIGGEST POCKETS OF MONEY ARE IN OUR COMPENSATION AND IN OUR STAFFING.

AND SO THE BOARD WOULD LIKELY BE FACED WITH REVISITING THAT.

AND I CAN I CAN TELL YOU THAT IF WE WERE TO MAKE ADDITIONAL ADJUSTMENTS TO CLASS SIZE, WE WOULD NOT HAVE A PLACE FOR EVERYONE.

AND WE WILL HAVE TO DO A REDUCTION IN FORCE, WHICH WILL AFFECT OUR ENTIRE ORGANIZATION NOT ONLY THIS YEAR, BUT PROBABLY FOR YEARS TO COME, BECAUSE PEOPLE LOOK FOR ORGANIZATIONS WITH STABILITY.

AND CERTAINLY AS YOU LOOK ACROSS THE STATE WITHOUT SORT OF NAMING OTHER LEAS, WE HAVE SEEN OTHER LEAS HAVE BEEN HAVE HAD TO DO THAT.

AND YOU LOSE NOT ONLY THOSE EMPLOYEES, BUT YOU LOSE CREDIBILITY AND INTEGRITY IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO WE'RE VERY PROUD THAT WE'RE NOT IN THAT POSITION.

BUT THAT IS WHERE OUR MONEY IS.

IT'S IN OUR PEOPLE.

AND YOU WILL PROBABLY NOT BE ABLE TO FIND MONEY WITHOUT AFFECTING OUR PEOPLE, INCLUDING HAVING TO POSSIBLY RENEGOTIATE OUR POTENTIAL, NOT YET SIGNED, BUT TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS WITH ALL OF OUR ASSOCIATIONS AROUND THAT COMPENSATION.

I'M CERTAIN IF THERE WAS $1 MILLION ANYWHERE, PROBABLY THERE WAS EVEN $500,000 ANYWHERE, EVEN OR LESS.

MISS CLAIBORNE AND HER TEAM WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT FORWARD FOR US TO LOOK AT.

I'M SORRY, MISS ALLEN.

I MEAN, I STILL FEEL LIKE THERE'S SAVINGS TO BE REALIZED OR EFFICIENCIES TO BE REALIZED IN THE TEXTBOOK. AND, YOU KNOW, INSTRUCTIONAL MATERIALS, BUDGET.

I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE.

WE COULD PULL $3 MILLION FROM THERE AND WE'D STILL BE OKAY.

I MEAN, MISS, MISS CLAY COULD CERTAINLY SPEAK TO THAT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY PULLED ALMOST A MILLION.

AND I THINK YOU. ARE YOU THERE? I'D LIKE TO. I REALLY TRUST THE COUNCIL I MEAN, OF, OF OUR FISCAL SERVICES TEAM.

AND IF THEY'RE SAYING THAT THERE ISN'T THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY THERE, I TRY TO HEED THEIR COUNSEL.

SO I THINK THE ONLY WAY WE COULD PULL ANY ADDITIONAL FUNDING FROM THERE IS IF WE CHANGED, WE WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE OUR CHROMEBOOK REPLACEMENT CYCLE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BIGGEST BUDGET IN THERE, AND WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR CURRENT CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE FOR TEXTBOOKS, BECAUSE TYPICALLY WHEN YOU DO A TEXTBOOK AND IT'S NOT REALLY A TEXTBOOK IN THE OLD FASHIONED WAY THAT I DID A TEXTBOOK, IT'S IT'S A LICENSE ON A COMPUTER WITH SOME TIME.

WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT.

AND IT WOULD AND IT WOULD MEAN A REDUCTION.

OR CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT WE SERVICE.

AND AND I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT.

IN REGARDS TO SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON, HOW DO WE WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES IN OUR OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE TEAM, HOW DO WE TALK TO SCHOOLS ABOUT WE KNOW YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE THESE CHANGES.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.

AND HOW DO WE, YOU KNOW, NOT BE AS RESPONSIVE AS WE'VE BEEN IN THE PAST WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE BUDGETS? WELL, YOU KNOW, I UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO MAKE BIG CHANGES IN THE WAY THAT WE DO THE THINGS THAT WE DO, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND $3 MILLION BECAUSE $3 MILLION IS 15% OF THAT BUDGET.

AND THAT'S AND THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT DECREASE IN THAT BUDGET.

AND I THINK THE OTHER THING IS, IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT BUDGET, WE'RE PROJECTING THAT 1200 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS ARE GOING TO COME TO US, AND WE HAVE NO IDEA THE NEEDS OF THOSE 1200 ADDITIONAL STUDENTS.

SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE OUR STAFFING SET FOR SPECIAL EDUCATION FOR ML, FOR FOUNDATION, AND WE ARE TAKING OUR CONTINGENCY POSITIONS OUT.

WE HAVE TO TRY TO ASSIST WITH SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WE'VE MADE.

BUT WHEN THE DOORS OPEN IN AUGUST, PART OF THE REASON WITH THE BUDGET IS YOU NEED SOME FLEXIBILITY SHOULD SIGNIFICANT CHANGES HAPPEN. IF ALL OF A SUDDEN YOUR SPECIAL EDUCATION POPULATION INCREASES IN NUMBER OR IN COMPLEXITY, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY.

AND SO WE CAN CERTAINLY GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK AND HAVE THE HAVE AGAIN, HARD CONVERSATIONS.

BUT I THINK UNLESS WE'RE WILLING TO CHANGE SOME OF THE CONTRACTS THAT WE HAVE AND SOME OF THE WAY THAT WE DO OUR CHROMEBOOKS AND TECHNOLOGY WITHIN OUR CLASSROOMS AND THOSE OTHER THINGS AND, AND OUR MATERIALS OF INSTRUCTION THAT WE OFFER TO OUR STUDENTS THAT'S REALLY THAT'S THE THAT'S HOW WE WOULD GET THE THAT MONEY.

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MISS CLAIBORNE WHEN YOU'RE WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT THE CHROMEBOOKS.

ARE YOU SPEAKING OF.

SO A CONCERN THAT WAS RAISED IS THAT JUST SO MUCH, I BELIEVE, OF THE TESTING IS RELYING ON THE CHROMEBOOKS? I DON'T KNOW OUTSIDE, BUT CAN YOU SPEAK MORE? YOU BROUGHT UP THE CHROMEBOOKS AND WHETHER THERE'S SOME ROOM TO MOVE THERE.

AND CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? SO I THINK WE'VE ALREADY INCLUDED ON THE 15TH, WE DID A REDUCTION AT OUR, AT OUR FOR OUR YOUNGEST LEARNERS TO A 1 TO 5 AT OUR HIGH SCHOOL AND MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL. I KNOW IN CONVERSATION WITH OUR CII AND SACHSE TEAMS, A LOT OF THE ASSESSMENTS ARE DONE, WHETHER IT'S A STATE ASSESSMENT OR A LOCAL ASSESSMENT ARE DONE IN THAT SETTING.

IT'S JUST THE WAY IT'S DONE.

BECAUSE IT'S IT'S WE DON'T DO SCANTRON SHEETS ANYMORE.

AT LEAST I DON'T THINK WE DO.

BUT WE DON'T DO THEM THE SAME WAY THAT WE.

IT'S ALL DONE ON YOUR CHROMEBOOK NOW.

AND SO IF WE DON'T HAVE THOSE CHROMEBOOKS AVAILABLE AND, YOU KNOW, AND OUR GTI TEAM HAS A VERY, YOU KNOW, WE ONLY REPLACE AT SIX AND NINTH GRADE AND WE WROTE AND THE KIDS TAKE IT WITH THEM.

AND ALL OF THE OLDER CHROMEBOOKS ARE ROTATED TO THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL, KNOWING THAT OUR SIX, 6 TO 12 YEAR 12TH GRADERS ARE THE ONES WHO REQUIRE THE MOST POWER, AND THE NEWEST STUFF BECAUSE THEY'RE USING IT MORE THAN OUR YOUNGEST LEARNERS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY WHEN I THINK ONE OF THE BOARD HAD ASKED ABOUT CAN WE MOVE AWAY FROM 1 TO 1 AT THAT SECONDARY LEVEL? AND THE THE ANSWER WAS NO, WE YOU JUST BECAUSE YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO DO, LIKE THE TESTING AND THE ASSESSMENTS THAT WE USE THOSE ITEMS FOR.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHY THE WHY THE CHROMEBOOKS AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL.

AND THAT'S WHY YOU ALSO DIDN'T SEE A SIGNIFICANT SAVINGS, AS YOU MIGHT HAVE SAID, OH, IF WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THESE, WELL, THEY'RE ALREADY OUR OLDEST BOOKS AT THEIR END OF LIFE. SO IT'S JUST IT JUST NOW THEY'LL JUST RETIRE WHEN THEY SHOULD HAVE RETIRED AS OPPOSED TO US, THEM KEEPING THEM FOR A LONGER TO SERVE OUR YOUNGEST LEARNERS.

AND I THINK A QUESTION THAT HAD BEEN RAISED I THINK BY PERHAPS BY ONE OTHER BOARD MEMBER THAT THERE IS I'M FORGETTING WHAT THE POSITION IS CALLED WHEN YOU IN THE SCHOOLS.

MRS. YOHO, YOU MIGHT HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP, PERHAPS IN TERMS OF USER TECHNOLOGY.

YEAH. I MEAN, IS ARE THERE ANY REDUCTIONS THAT WE SEE THERE WITH THE 1 TO 5 NOW IN THE REDUCTION IN CHROMEBOOKS? SO. NOW BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE ARE USING MORE OF WHILE THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY ASSIGNED TO A SCHOOL, THERE'S A CADRE MODEL.

BECAUSE MONOCACY MIDDLE IS HAVING TESTING THIS WEEK.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EXTRA USERS.

SO THEY THEY KIND OF ROTATE OUT AND WE USE THEM IN A, IN A MUCH MORE FLEET MANNER THAN WE HAVE IN THE PAST.

THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO IS THERE'S A PORTION OF THEIR DAY THAT IS AT THEIR PRINCIPAL'S DISCRETION THAT THEY ARE THEY MIGHT BE SUBSTITUTES THAT THEY'RE THAT THEY'RE WORKING TO HAVE THEM BE VERY INTEGRATED INTO THE SCHOOLS.

WHILE YES, THEIR MAIN FOCUS IS TECHNOLOGY, THEY DO HELP IN MANY OTHER WAYS THROUGHOUT THE BUILDING.

ONE INNOVATIVE IDEA THAT YEAH.

I MEAN, LISTEN, MAYBE IT'S UNREALISTIC FOR THIS YEAR, I DON'T KNOW.

THERE MUST BE STUDENTS IN OTHER MARYLAND COUNTIES WHO WOULD ALSO HAVE INTEREST IN THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM AND WHETHER THERE CAN BE A TUITION MODEL WHERE OTHER WHEN I SAY TUITION, THOUGH, SORRY, NOT THE FAMILIES THEMSELVES THAT THE OTHER COUNTIES ARE ARE PAYING FREDERICK COUNTY FOR THIS INNOVATIVE PROGRAM IF WE KEEP IT AND INVEST IN IT.

WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO WHAT THE MSD REGULATIONS ARE, BUT THERE ARE OUT OF COUNTY PLACEMENTS THAT HAPPEN.

AND THEN THERE'S ESSENTIALLY A TUITION SWAP WHERE WE GET A BILL FROM MSD AND THEY GET A BILL FROM MSD.

[05:05:01]

BUT THAT DOESN'T THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT MIGHT NOT SOMEWHERE BE DOWN THE LINE FOR MSD.

BUT AS WE KNOW, THE WHEELS DO TURN SLOW.

AND, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE REALLY GOTTEN AWAY FROM ASYNCRONOUS AND HYBRID LEARNING AT THE AT AT THE STATE LEVEL.

BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT AS, AS, AS THESE CONVERSATIONS CONTINUE TO HAPPEN, IF THERE'S A WAY TO CREATE AN EFFICIENCY AND WE COULD DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I'M SURE THERE'LL BE CONVERSATION ON ON THE BUT PERHAPS DISTANT HORIZON.

MR. ROSE. JUST ALSO TO CLARIFY, THIS PROGRAM WAS FUNDED BY ESSER FUNDS.

AND IN THE VERY IN THE FIRST YEAR THERE WERE SOME ESSER FUNDS THAT ASSISTED WITH IT, BUT IT HAS BEEN PART OF OUR OPERATING BUDGET IN 23 AND 24. THANK YOU.

MISS ALLEN AND JUST TO SPEAK TO INNOVATIVE IDEAS.

WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM ONE OF THE PARENTS WHO I FELT LIKE HAD THROWN OUT SOME, YOU KNOW, PRETTY, I WOULD SAY, SOLUTIONS, YOU KNOW, LIKE, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

AND SHE ACTUALLY OFFERED UP SOLUTIONS TO IT.

YOU KNOW, I WOULD PARENTS BE WILLING TO.

PAY A FEE, YOU KNOW? A TUITION PIECE TO THAT.

SO. I DON'T KNOW THAT FROM A STATE PERSPECTIVE.

WE ARE. WE ARE NOT.

I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE ALLOWED.

WE ARE A PUBLIC SCHOOL, SO I DON'T I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK WITH MSD.

I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT I YEAH, THERE'S A CONSTITUTIONAL THAT FAPE IS REQUIRED A FREE AND APPROPRIATE PUBLIC EDUCATION AS PART OF THE MARYLAND CONSTITUTION. YEAH.

RIGHT. AND REMEMBER THAT THE STATE IS ALREADY PROVIDING MONEY FOR EACH OF OUR STUDENTS BASED ON ENROLLMENT.

SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A DOUBLE CHARGE, RIGHT? YEAH.

I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND.

WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT THIS ISSUE FOR MANY SIDES.

YEAH, I WOULD REMIND I MEAN, I, I REFLECT ON THIS, ALL THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT WERE SAID ABOUT OUR CHARTER SCHOOLS. ALL OF OUR FAMILIES IN THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM DID NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR THE CHARTER LOTTERIES BECAUSE WE WE JUST POSTED TO BOARD DOCS THE CANCELLATION OF REMOTE VIRTUAL.

THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH NOTICE.

SO. SO.

SO THAT DEFINITELY STAYS WITH ME.

YEAH, I MEAN, I, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I CERTAINLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE US.

I PRESERVE MIDDLE SCHOOL REMOTE VIRTUAL I.

I ALSO THINK THAT.

IN A VERY THE THAT WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER OR COULD CONSIDER THE MOST LIMITED PRESERVATION.

YOU KNOW, IF IF IEP AND FIVE IF IEP TEAMS WERE TO DETERMINE THAT THIS IS REALLY WHERE THE STUDENT WILL LEARN BEST THAT WE, THAT WE JUST CREATE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU KNOW, IT WOULD CERTAINLY BE SMALLER THAN THE 122 STUDENTS WHO WOULD BE PROJECTED FOR THE MIDDLE SCHOOL LEVEL. BUT TO JUST KEEP THAT OPPORTUNITY OPEN IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE WE OUGHT TO PRESERVE AT A MINIMUM.

MR. JAY. YEAH.

SO WELL, I DO I'M A PROPONENT FOR OUR FOR OUR SCHOOLS OUR VP INCLUDED.

IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW I'M LOOKING AT WE'VE WE'VE HAD TO COME DOWN FROM A 50, $50 MILLION DEFICIT.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE CULPRIT.

THAT'S KIND OF LIKE THE, THE THE WEIGHT IN THE ROOM IS THE IS THE DEFICIT.

BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE WE CUT $50 MILLION WORTH OF PROGRAMING AND AND POSITIONS AND AND OPPORTUNITIES AND MATERIALS AND SUPPLIES AND HOPEFULLY NOTHING CRACKS IN THE SHIP OR WE, WE TRIP AND FALL.

BUT IT'S REALLY THE WEIGHT THAT WE'RE CARRYING IS THE THE COST.

[05:10:03]

AND SO WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT.

OUR STUDENTS HERE. AND WE HAVE TO AGAIN, IF I COULD.

WHAT YOU MAY NOT KNOW IS I'VE BEEN SENDING EMAILS ALL WEEK LONG.

I'VE BEEN BOTHERING MISS KLEBOLD, WHO'S DOING A PHENOMENAL JOB.

YOU'VE JUST BEEN DOING JUST. YOU'VE BEEN SITTING HERE FIELDING AN AMAZING, LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE BEEN ON, LIKE, ALMOST LIKE, FINAL TRIAL HERE FOR THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS.

AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE AMAZING WORK YOU'VE DONE IN FIELDING ALL THESE QUESTIONS AND PROVIDING EVERYBODY WITH CLEAR UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S GOING ON.

BUT THE WEIGHT THAT BEARS ON ME WAS COME DOWN TO.

IT'S NOT. IT'S I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND.

EVERYBODY'S AT HOME, EVERYBODY'S IN THE ROOM.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BOARD'S HEART.

WHAT ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO? I IF ANYTHING, I PRESSURED THIS BOARD TO OFFER VIRTUAL HYBRID LEARNING DURING COVID.

I SHOULD DO THAT MYSELF IN THE CLASSROOM.

AND I THOUGHT IT WAS VIABLE.

AND WE AND I FOUGHT FOR THIS PROGRAM TO STAY ON BOARD AS IT IS NOW.

BUT RIGHT NOW, IT JUST COMES LITERALLY DOWN TO THE DOLLAR.

AND SO THAT'S IT. THOUGHT ABOUT OUR HEART AND ABOUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO, HOW WE WANT TO SERVE.

IT'S JUST ABOUT WE HAVE TO PRESENT A BALANCED BUDGET.

AND RIGHT NOW I WOULD LOVE I'VE BEEN ASKED ALL WEEK LONG, HOW CAN WE COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST 2 MILLION? BECAUSE 2 MILLION WOULD GET WOULD GET US PART OF THE RV BACK.

IT WOULD GET US SOME RELIEF TO CHARTER SCHOOLS WHERE WE JUST THE MONEY IS NOT THERE RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN IF THE MONEY COMES AVAILABLE LATER ON, WE CAN LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, IT BECOMES AN ISSUE WITH STAFFING.

WHOSE WORLD DO WE SPIN AROUND? WHO DO WE TORTURE, YOU KNOW, TO WHIPLASH THEM BACK, YOU KNOW, IN DOING THINGS FOR STAFFING.

SO IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OF OUR ADMINISTRATIVE MESS WITH OUR WITH OUR EMPLOYEES AND BEING TRUE TO OUR CONTRACTS AND NOT RUNNING INTO YOU KNOW, DISRUPTING HOMES. IT IS NOT A GOOD BAD SIDE.

IT'S BOTH BAD SIDES.

AND SO WHAT I SIT HERE, I LOOK AT THESE WE MENTIONED IDEAS.

YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GREAT IDEAS WE MENTIONED, I MENTIONED BEFORE ABOUT DOING HYBRID TEACHING.

WE CAN'T DO THAT RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S A BUDGET.

THAT'S A NOT A BUDGET ISSUE, BUT IT'S A NEGOTIATIONS ISSUE WITH CONTRACT.

IT JUST BECOMES ABOUT BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF PEOPLE'S TIME.

AND IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE HEART TO OFFER THESE SERVICES.

IT COMES DOWN TO THE DOLLAR.

AND WE ARE, WE ARE, WE ARE TRAPPED BY OUR DOLLARS RIGHT NOW.

AND SO I JUST IT'S JUST HARD.

SO THESE ARE NOT ISSUES WE TAKE LIGHTLY.

THESE ARE NOT THINGS WE DON'T CARRY ON OUR SHOULDERS WHEN WE LEAVE HERE.

THEY MEAN I'VE.

IT'S BEEN ON. I KNOW FROM EVERYONE ON THIS, ON THIS BENCH.

IT'S BEEN ON THEM FOR FOR A LONG TIME.

AND YOUR EMAILS ARE NOT IGNORED.

THEY ARE DISCUSSED.

THEY ARE THOUGHT ABOUT. THEY ARE THEY ARE CHEWED OVER.

THEY ARE LIKE, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

WELL, OKAY. AND JUST LIKE AND PEOPLE THINK WE HAVE I JUST I WON'T, I WON'T GO TOO FAR.

BUT THESE ARE JUST NOT THIS IS NOT THE BOARD'S HEART.

THIS COMES DOWN TO THE DOLLAR OKAY.

THERE'S NO MOTION ON THE FLOOR, SO I'M AFRAID NOT.

PLEASE. ARE YOU SERIOUS? NO, NO, I MEAN, I.

CAN I ASK A I HAVE A QUESTION.

SO. MR. ROSE. AT THE LAST MEETING, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE WHO SHOWED UP TO THE BAND FOR THAT, PEOPLE COULDN'T EVEN GET IN THE DOOR.

YEAH. MR. ROSE, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO SAY SOMETHING.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WE CAN'T BE VERBALLY ABUSIVE.

MR. ROSE, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION? I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY.

WE'VE GOT OUR PROCEDURES THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

MR. ROSE IS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION AND JUST PLEASE HOLD ON.

FIRST, I JUST I JUST HAD A QUESTION.

AND BECAUSE DOCTOR LEBO HASN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET HIS STEPS IN TONIGHT, WE HAVEN'T EVEN HEARD FROM HIM.

I JUST HAD A QUICK, QUICK QUESTION AND I KNOW THIS WOULD START ANOTHER BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE WITH THE POLICY COMMITTEE.

THE FIRESTORM.

HOW MUCH DOES EVERY QUARTER MILE ADDED TO OUR WALKING DISTANCE SAVE US ON TRANSPORTATION? I APPRECIATE GETTING MY STEPS IN.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION.

WE DID EVALUATE THAT WAS ONE OF THE BOARD'S QUESTIONS EARLIER ON TO EXTEND THE THE WALK MILE BY ABOUT A QUARTER MILE AT BOTH THE SECONDARY AND ELEMENTARY LEVELS.

UNFORTUNATELY, IT DIDN'T RESULT IN AS MUCH SAVING AS YOU MAY HAVE ANTICIPATED.

SO THE SAVINGS WAS LESS THAN A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS.

AND PART OF THE REASON IS WE'VE REALLY SORT OF REACHED THAT MAXIMUM POINT ON SAFE WALKING ROUTES.

[05:15:03]

SO EXTENDING IT COULD IN SOME AREAS THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO EXTEND IT, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY REACHED OUR MAXIMUM DISTANCE WHERE THERE WOULD BE A SAFE WALKING ROUTE.

SO IT'S JUST UNDER A QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO EXTEND THAT SYSTEM WIDE.

THANK YOU.

AND JUST BECAUSE THE FOLKS ARE HERE AND DOCTOR BINGMAN DON'T GO ANYWHERE.

SO JUST JUST SO WE CAN.

COVER IT.

IF WE ARE WHERE WE ARE, WHAT'S NEXT FOR THESE FAMILIES? HOPEFULLY. WE WILL BE WORKING WITH THE REMOTE VIRTUAL PROGRAM AND THE HOME SCHOOLS TO REALLY LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL STUDENT, TO EVALUATE EXACTLY WHAT WERE THE NEEDS OF THE STUDENT PRIOR TO THE REMOTE VIRTUAL.

HOW DID THE STUDENT DO? LOOK AT HOW THE STUDENT DID DURING THE REMOTE VIRTUAL TIME, AND THEN PLAN FORWARD AND THEN PROGRESS MONITOR THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SUPPORT IS PROVIDED AND THE STUDENT IS SUCCESSFUL.

AND ANOTHER.

ANOTHER. EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME.

I'M SORRY. LET HER FINISH.

LET HER FINISH.

I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.

YOU ARE NOT MAKING YOUR CASE RIGHT NOW.

WE HAVE HEARD YOUR.

WE HAVE READ YOUR EMAILS.

WE KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET UP AND SAY.

IF WE COULD GIVE IT TO YOU, WE WOULD.

BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE TRYING TO GATHER SOME MORE INFORMATION AND WE NEED TO HAVE THE PROCESS OR UNFORTUNATELY, WE'LL HAVE TO CLEAR THE ROOM.

WE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE MEDICALLY FRAGILE STUDENTS.

DO WE? WHAT'S OUR PLAN? BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THE HOME HOSPITAL ISN'T SUFFICIENT AS FAR AS EDUCATIONAL LONG TERM.

WHAT WHAT PLANS DO WE HAVE IN THAT REGARD, DEPENDING ON THE STUDENT AND DEPENDING ON THE CASE? I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE A STUDENT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT, THE PRIVATE DUTY NURSES EARLIER.

THAT MAY BE A CASE THAT A STUDENT MAY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S ALL INDIVIDUALIZED AND IT'S ALL LOOKING AT EACH INDIVIDUAL STUDENT AND DETERMINING WHAT ARE THE SUPPORTS THAT ARE NEEDED AND NECESSARY, AND HOW CAN WE APPROPRIATELY SUPPORT THE STUDENT.

I KNOW THIS IS NOT WHAT THE AUDIENCE WANTS TO HEAR, BUT I'M NOT SEEING ANYTHING FROM ANYBODY ELSE ON THE DAIS FROM ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE BOARD.

WE HAVE HEARD YOU.

PLEASE KNOW THAT WE.

I KNOW YOU DIDN'T GET UP, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO STAY AFTER AND TALK TO ANYBODY FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT.

BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH OUR MEETING RIGHT NOW.

SO THE NEXT PART DO YOU NOT LISTENING TO YOUR OWN STUDENTS? NO. I SAID I WOULD STAY AND LISTEN TO THEM.

I'LL TALK TO ANYBODY FOR AS LONG AS YOU WANT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON WITH THE MEETING RIGHT NOW.

YEAH. SO, MONSIEUR MICHEL.

MICHEL HILL. YES.

MR. JAY. I HAVE A QUESTION.

IF WE HAD A MOTION ON THE FLOOR.

JUST SOME RANDOM MOTION.

IT COULD SPEAK TO THE MOTION.

MY CONCERN IS THIS. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE 2:00, AND IT'S IT'S IT'S LATE.

AND THEY'VE BEEN SINCE 2:00.

THEY'VE BEEN OUT IN THE HALLWAY.

SO I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT AND LETTING THEIR VOICE BE HEARD.

SO IF I'M IN A MOTION TO HEAR FROM TEN PEOPLE, IS THAT POSSIBLY POSSIBLE TO HAVE THAT? IT WOULD BE A MOTION ON THE RVP THAT THEY COULD SPEAK TO SPECIFICALLY.

AND THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR OUR RULES OF PROCESS THAT SAYS HOW MANY CAN SPEAK.

BUT THE MOTION COULD SAY THAT THOUGH.

OH NO, NO, NO.

OKAY. NO. WELL THEN I'M, I'M, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PEOPLE.

SO I MAKE, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE HEAR FROM FOLKS.

SO. BUT YOUR MOTION HAS TO BE ON THE RSVP.

SO WHAT WOULD YOU MAKE IT ON.

SO I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HEAR STUDENTS AND PARENTS WHO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE PROGRAM.

IT HAS TO BE ON, ON EITHER TWO LIKE ON ON THE BUSINESS OF IT.

YES. ON THE BUSINESS AND NOT CHANGING THE BUSINESS ON IT.

SO THAT'S THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY.

WHAT HERE'S LET'S GET THROUGH THE REST OF THE, THE THE MEETING IS VERY LITTLE.

BASICALLY WE HAVE ONE THING TO DO.

WE CAN ADJOURN THE MEETING AND THEN STAFF CAN LEAVE.

AND BOARD MEMBERS THAT WANT TO STAY AND TALK TO THE PUBLIC.

AND DOES THAT WORK US TO.

I'M JUST GOING TO I'M GOING ON TO STAFFING CHANGES.

[05:20:01]

WHICH WE'VE NEVER REALLY DONE.

I MEAN, THE NEXT PART IS TO CULTURE.

CAN WE JUST MOVE ON TO OUR ACTION ITEM? ALL RIGHT. 3.01 STAFFING CHANGES.

[3. Regular Meeting - Action/Consent]

IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? MOTION TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. THANK YOU, MR. ROSE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF ACCEPTING THE STAFFING CHANGES, RAISE YOUR HAND.

AND YOU HEARD THAT.

SO ALL OTHERS IN FAVOR.

AND WITH THAT, I WILL ADJOURN THE MEETING.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.